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Luke, Jon, and Thomas


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straight from the good book -

"Marty has become infamous for his betrayal of Jerry. Both Luke and John render him to be under the influence of Satan himself (Luke 22:3; John 13:2). It may have been his greed that motivated him to betray Jerry for a worthless Jimmeh (Matthew 26:14-16; Mark 14:10-11; Luke 22:3-6)"

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Willis and Bowman may be better than Davis and Beason but a case could most certainly be made for Kuechly seeing as he outworked both of them this year. So I disagree.

Kuechly had a great rookie season but I do not think he was better than Bowman or Willis.

Hopefully he will be in the future of course.

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He's not better yet, but I do think he's on par with Willis, Bowman and Washington. It'd be hard to debate that after his rookie season.

Big picture, Luke has the potential IMO to be the best....but he isn't on Willis' level yet.

I think Luke instincts coupled with a couple more years work in....could have him as the best in the league. His natural instincts are absurd.

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We're talking religion on this board now but race and politics are not allowed? Talk about hypocritical. Not everyone is religious, by the way. Plus, this thread wasted me a click. That's about 1/10th of a calorie.

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Only Thomas was a disciple of Jesus.

Luke and Jon were the names of writers of the gospels, all of which were written over a hundred years after the supposed death of some random dude there's no evidence ever existed.

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You're confusing apostle with disciple. The apostles are the twelve, of which John was one. Jesus' disciples were many, many people who likely would have followed him as well and just not been among his twelve closest. Luke was quite likely one of these.

Only Thomas was a disciple of Jesus.

Luke and Jon were the names of writers of the gospels, all of which were written over a hundred years after the supposed death of some random dude there's no evidence ever existed.

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Only Thomas was a disciple of Jesus.

Luke and Jon were the names of writers of the gospels, all of which were written over a hundred years after the supposed death of some random dude there's no evidence ever existed.

No evidence except for having four biographies written about him, or being referenced by contemporary sources like Josephus, or spawning an entire belief system. People can choose to believe anything they want about the religion itself but to think that the person never existed would require the assumption that Caesar, Genghis Khan, Plato, etc. were mythical figures as well seeing as the evidence for their existence is even less comprehensive.

Also, the writer of the book of John was the disciple John, as he referenced himself in the book, and the earliest extant manuscript fragments place it's authorship within the lifetime of Jesus' contemporaries.

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