McShay 2 Round Mock

[koolkatluke]

lmao he is not a 3 tech if he line up at 1 tech NT. he may have had the size and skills to play 3 tech but he played the 1. Dwan has proved to not be that good at run blocking or taking on more then 1 blocker which is what a NT does, so are you willing to play Sheldon there at the 1? if so every NFL team will thank you for doing so.

Ok let me explain this Booger was a 3tech coming out of LSU (as Richardson Now) and play the 1 tech because the Tampa 2 depends on speed and quickness out of their DT's instead of Bluk and strength.

Just like the Wide nine in Philly with Cox and Jenkins last year. Which both are considered 3 tech in that defense.

[DaCityKats]

Ok let me explain this Booger was a 3tech coming out of LSU (as Richardson Now) and play the 1 tech because the Tampa 2 depends on speed and quickness out of their DT's instead of Bluk and strength.

Just like the Wide nine in Philly with Cox and Jenkins last year. Which both are considered 3 tech in that defense.

considered yes, but again if Booger did not line up at the 3 tech DT how is he a 3 tech?Jerel Worthy was a 3 tech coming out of MSU, but got drafted to play a 5 tech in a 3-4. Tampa 2 NT will still have to be able to take on a double to free up the LBs, or they will get killed by the opposing OL. Cox and Jenkins are 2 guys who have shown the ability to play 2 gaps either in the pros or college so they could play NT some if need be. Booger played NT 1 tech, when Sapp was on the field. again no team would line up 2 DTs as 3 techs because you are leaving 2 gaps unattended to.

[carpanfan96]

Ok let me explain this Booger was a 3tech coming out of LSU (as Richardson Now) and play the 1 tech because the Tampa 2 depends on speed and quickness out of their DT's instead of Bluk and strength.

Just like the Wide nine in Philly with Cox and Jenkins last year. Which both are considered 3 tech in that defense.

Carolina runs neither of those systems and the system in place in Carolina really needs a big NT to clog the middle. So they both wouldn't start, one would be a reserve and see maybe 20 snaps a game at most. I doubt they'd take someone that would see so little time as I doubt he'd start right away.

[iamhubby1]

http://ind.scout.com/2/581106.html

Booger was a 3tech playing 1 tech and was way smaller then Dwan and Sheldon. So 2 3tech have been lined up at the same time.

I would add, in today's game. Pass rushers are a premium. Not run stuffers. Pass rushers used to be considered specialists. Well, in todays game, run stuffers are the specialists now.

I do believe folks put too much stock in the terms UT and NT. If you can play. Chances are good you will see the feild.. It is just a name given to the guy playing a certain position in a certain alignment.

All that said, we still need to add another kid to the DL. Hardy-3 years ago. Alexander-last year. Add another this year and keep perpetuating the cycle. Sound familiar. That does not mean a 1st rounder. Just a kid you believe can play. Perferably a 3-4th round guy. But hey, that's just me.

I want playmakers with my first two picks. Those usually come from conventional positions like WR, RB, and QB on Offense. With CB and DE for the Defense. Take RB, QB, and DE off the list and it leaves you with WR and CB. With DT heading the list of runner-ups.

Man, talk about a tangent. If you run a 4-3 you need 2 DTs. As long as they get it done, I don't care what they look like.

[koolkatluke]

Carolina runs neither of those systems and the system in place in Carolina really needs a big NT to clog the middle. So they both wouldn't start, one would be a reserve and see maybe 20 snaps a game at most. I doubt they'd take someone that would see so little time as I doubt he'd start right away.

Carolina does actual run a form of the tampa 2. Ron Rivera ran it in Chicago and brought some aspects of it here. Special on passing downs. He also brought some 3-4 and some of Jimmy Johnson's blitz packages.

[iamhubby1]

Carolina runs neither of those systems and the system in place in Carolina really needs a big NT to clog the middle. So they both wouldn't start, one would be a reserve and see maybe 20 snaps a game at most. I doubt they'd take someone that would see so little time as I doubt he'd start right away.

With fewer and fewer teams geared to run the ball. Pass rushing will be a premium. If he can help my pass rush, he will see the feild. With Keek and crew, we are decent in run D. But being able to rush the passer with YOUR base D. That is priceless.

Wish we had a third so we could at least try and give DT a boost. Alas, 4th or later is all we can throw at a DT this year. Which is why I am hoping for a DT in FA. Cole will be this years Bell. Great story for him to be back in a camp. I would feel better if we had an insurance policy in place.

IF I could ask Gettlemen one question right now? It would be, What positions are in your BPA pool? WR, RB, QB, LT, DE, and CB? No where in there is one G or DT. Get that notion outta your head. We need WR, DE, and CB out of that pool. One of those three positons will be our first pick. Maybe even our first two picks.

Just me. And GOOOOOO CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DaCityKats]

those names are positions. neither Dwan nor Sheldon have shown the ability to anchor, take on the double team and play the 1 tech position. a 3 tech and 1 tech have 2 different roles and jobs. if a DT can play both, great but right now neither guy can.

[carpanfan96]

Carolina does actual run a form of the tampa 2. Ron Rivera ran it in Chicago and brought some aspects of it here. Special on passing downs. He also brought some 3-4 and some of Jimmy Johnson's blitz packages.

They run a variation of the Jim Johnson defense when healthy.

[koolkatluke]

considered yes, but again if Booger did not line up at the 3 tech DT how is he a 3 tech?Jerel Worthy was a 3 tech coming out of MSU, but got drafted to play a 5 tech in a 3-4. Tampa 2 NT will still have to be able to take on a double to free up the LBs, or they will get killed by the opposing OL. Cox and Jenkins are 2 guys who have shown the ability to play 2 gaps either in the pros or college so they could play NT some if need be. Booger played NT 1 tech, when Sapp was on the field. again no team would line up 2 DTs as 3 techs because you are leaving 2 gaps unattended to.

Your missing the point. If Booger can play the 1 tech (and he was bulit like a 3tech) then a player bigger then him and stronger then him can play that position as well.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/pyrnotes.php?pyid=89459&draftyear=2013&genpos=DT

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=61052&draftyear=1999&genpos=DT

[koolkatluke]

They run a variation of the Jim Johnson defense when healthy.

They run a Variation of all 3. Like I said in the post you just quoted.

[DaCityKats]

Your missing the point. If Booger can play the 1 tech (and he was bulit like a 3tech) then a player bigger then him and stronger then him can play that position as well.

http://www.nfldrafts...=2013&genpos=DT

http://www.nfldrafts...=1999&genpos=DT

again when has either player proved that?Richardson and Edwards are penetrators not anchors. every NT does not have to be a certain size, its about technique and the ability to not get pushed off the ball which both players have a problem with doing. that is why most teams looking at Richardson are looking at him as a disruotive 3 tech. you even said that he stays in the backfield, why put him in a position to not be successful.

if they are getting pushed off the ball in one gap, how do you think it will look when they have to cover two?

[koolkatluke]

again when has either player proved that?Richardson and Edwards are penetrators not anchors. every NT does not have to be a certain size, its about technique and the ability to not get pushed off the ball which both players have a problem with doing. that is why most teams looking at Richardson are looking at him as a disruotive 3 tech. you even said that he stays in the backfield, why put him in a position to not be successful.

if they are getting pushed off the ball in one gap, how do you think it will look when they have to cover two?

He won't be in that position all the time we will run a rotation. And the fact that he can do the 3tech some 5tech and can rush standing up and drop back. Makes him a nice piece to add to our defense.

With Ron's defensive mind and Richardson versatility it's a nice thing to think about. But I'm not married to him being the pick. I'm just having a open mind to the idea.

[Growl]

I want to know who Hurney takes in the first and second rounds. We stick with his 1st round choice and make sure we do not draft his second.

manti teo in the first and denard robinson in the second

[Growl]

but only if we can't pull off that trade to ship this years second along with next years first to move up and grab montee ball at the bottom of the first