My case to why we should not take an OT at 14

[Ken]

Teh heck? Football is a team sport with many moving parts that all need to work in harmony to work well. Of course some parts are more important but you need each part to work together to function properly.

Think of the team as the human body. The brain is vital but if another part like the lungs is faulty that's a huge problem.

So my point is, all the pieces of the team are needed in order to win. So if you have the chance to improve the O-line you do it, whether that is at 14 or in FA...

[C47]

So were the ratio of teams that drafted a wr in the first that much more successful than those who went oline?

Ask and you shall receive....

2003

Detroit: 5-11 Joey Harrington

Houston: 5-11 David Carr/Tony Banks

Arizona: 4-12: Jeff Blake/Josh McCown

2004

Arizona: 6-10 Josh McCown

Detroit: 6-10 Joey Harrington

Jacksonville: 9-7 Byron Leftwich

Buffalo: 9-7 Drew Bledsoe

Tampa: 5-11 Brian Greise/Brad Johnson

Atlanta: 11-5 Michael Vick/Matt Schaubb

SF: 2-14 Tim Rattay/Ken Dorsey

2005

Cleveland: 6-10 Trent Dilfer/Charlie Frye

Minnesota: 9-7 Brad Johnson/Daunte Culpepper

Detroit: 5-11 Joey Harrington/Jeff Garcia

Jacksonville: 12-4 Byron Leftwich/David Garrad

Baltimore: 6-10 Kyle Boller/Anthony Wright

Atlanta: 8-8 Michael Vick

2006

Pittsburgh: 8-8 Big Ben

2007

Detroit: 7-9 Jon Kitna

Miami: 1-15 Cleo Lemmon/Trent Green/John Beck

KC: 4-12 Damon Huard/Brodie Croyle

New Orleans: 7-9 Brees

San Diego: 11-5 Rivers

Indy: 13-3 Manning

2008

None taken in first

2009

Oakland: 5-11 Russell/Bruce Gradkowski/Charlie Frye

SF: 8-8 Alex Smith/Shaun Hill

PHI: 11-5 McRibb/Kevin Kolb

MN: 12-4 Favre

NYG: 8-8 Manning

TN: 8-8 Vince Young/Kerry Collins

2010

Denver: 4-12 Kyle Orton/The Golden Calf of Bristol

Dallas: 6-10 Jon Kitna/Tony Romo

2011

Cinci: 9-7 Dalton

Atlanta: 10-6 Ryan

KC: 7-9 Matt Cassel/Tyler Palko/Kyle Orton

2012

Jacksonville: 2-14 Chad Henne/Blaine Gabbart

Arizona: 5-11 John Skelton/Kevin Kolb/Ryan Lindley

TN: 6-10 Jake Locker/Matt Hasselbeck

SF: 11-4 Alex Smith/Colin Kaepernick

Again, we're looking at this in a bit of a vacuum, ignoring factors like who was the QB, if the drafted player played significant snaps (see 2012 SF) etc.....

EDIT: Added the Quarterbacks because I feel it gives a better representation.....

[carpanfan96]

So were the ratio of teams that drafted a wr in the first that much more successful than those who went oline?

This is from 2009 - to now.

Positive results for both team and WR.

Atlanta - successful with Jones

Cincinnati - fairly successful with Green

Denver - Successful with Thomas

Dallas - Dez Bryant has been successful - team has been average.

SF - Crabtree and the 49ers have been successful

Vikings - Harvin and the vikings were off and on, but fairly successful with some play off berths.

NYG - Nicks and the Giants have been very successful

Eagles - Maclin and the eagles have had some early success.

Mixed bag

Tenn - Has two players in that time in Britt and Wright, one had a good season and then.... other too early to tell.

Negative

Arizona - not so much - Floyd

Jacksonville - not so much - Blackmon

Raiders - DHB - ouches times two.

Inconclusive -

SF - AJ jenkings didn't get a ton of opps. Last years draft.

I counted 6 good OT's during that span from 2009 with two being too early to tell from last year. So this is a possibility of 7 if not 8 starting NFL caliber LT or RT's from the past 4 drafts. 9 positive WR's with 8 teams being successful and having playoff berths Of the teams that drafted OT during the first 5 have been successful.

So WR's have more of an impact on teams then either a LT or RT via the draft over the past 4 drafts.

[carolina-chuck]

I'm not saying we should draft an OT. I don't think we will simply because I think the three top OT prospects are likely to be gone by the time we're on the clock.

However, I am saying that we should take the BPA out of OL, DT, WR, and DB in the 1st round and likely the 2cd round as well. If one of those 3 OTs were on the board at #14, they'd almost certainly be the BPA out of those positions. Once you get past the 3rd round or so, pretty much everyone is just going pure BPA at that point.

The only OL I wouldn't be mad at 14 would be Warmack and Cooper.

[carolina-chuck]

Teh heck? Football is a team sport with many moving parts that all need to work in harmony to work well. Of course some parts are more important but you need each part to work together to function properly.

Think of the team as the human body. The brain is vital but if another part like the lungs is faulty that's a huge problem.

So my point is, all the pieces of the team are needed in order to win. So if you have the chance to improve the O-line you do it, whether that is at 14 or in FA...

I know. It's just like Durkiem's functionalist theory. How social order is possible or how society remains relatively stable. Functionalism interprets each part of society in terms of how it contributes to the stability of the whole society.

[carolina-chuck]

This is from 2009 - to now.

Positive results for both team and WR.

Atlanta - successful with Jones

Cincinnati - fairly successful with Green

Denver - Successful with Thomas

Dallas - Dez Bryant has been successful - team has been average.

SF - Crabtree and the 49ers have been successful

Vikings - Harvin and the vikings were off and on, but fairly successful with some play off berths.

NYG - Nicks and the Giants have been very successful

Eagles - Maclin and the eagles have had some early success.

Mixed bag

Tenn - Has two players in that time in Britt and Wright, one had a good season and then.... other too early to tell.

Negative

Arizona - not so much - Floyd

Jacksonville - not so much - Blackmon

Raiders - DHB - ouches times two.

Inconclusive -

SF - AJ jenkings didn't get a ton of opps. Last years draft.

I counted 6 good OT's during that span from 2009 with two being too early to tell from last year. So this is a possibility of 7 if not 8 starting NFL caliber LT or RT's from the past 4 drafts. 9 positive WR's with 8 teams being successful and having playoff berths Of the teams that drafted OT during the first 5 have been successful.

So WR's have more of an impact on teams then either a LT or RT via the draft over the past 4 drafts.

I would also say that you have to consider that WR is a tougher and longer position to learn and develop than an OT.

[koolkatluke]

This is from 2009 - to now.

Positive results for both team and WR.

Atlanta - successful with Jones

Cincinnati - fairly successful with Green

Denver - Successful with Thomas

Dallas - Dez Bryant has been successful - team has been average.

SF - Crabtree and the 49ers have been successful

Vikings - Harvin and the vikings were off and on, but fairly successful with some play off berths.

NYG - Nicks and the Giants have been very successful

Eagles - Maclin and the eagles have had some early success.

Mixed bag

Tenn - Has two players in that time in Britt and Wright, one had a good season and then.... other too early to tell.

Negative

Arizona - not so much - Floyd

Jacksonville - not so much - Blackmon

Raiders - DHB - ouches times two.

Inconclusive -

SF - AJ jenkings didn't get a ton of opps. Last years draft.

I counted 6 good OT's during that span from 2009 with two being too early to tell from last year. So this is a possibility of 7 if not 8 starting NFL caliber LT or RT's from the past 4 drafts. 9 positive WR's with 8 teams being successful and having playoff berths Of the teams that drafted OT during the first 5 have been successful.

So WR's have more of an impact on teams then either a LT or RT via the draft over the past 4 drafts.

Are we talking about the first year or over their careers?

Some of this impact and success you say happen. Was due to other factors not the WR.

[C47]

Ask and you shall receive....

2003

Detroit: 5-11 Joey Harrington

Houston: 5-11 David Carr/Tony Banks

Arizona: 4-12: Jeff Blake/Josh McCown

2004

Arizona: 6-10 Josh McCown

Detroit: 6-10 Joey Harrington

Jacksonville: 9-7 Byron Leftwich

Buffalo: 9-7 Drew Bledsoe

Tampa: 5-11 Brian Greise/Brad Johnson

Atlanta: 11-5 Michael Vick/Matt Schaubb

SF: 2-14 Tim Rattay/Ken Dorsey

2005

Cleveland: 6-10 Trent Dilfer/Charlie Frye

Minnesota: 9-7 Brad Johnson/Daunte Culpepper

Detroit: 5-11 Joey Harrington/Jeff Garcia

Jacksonville: 12-4 Byron Leftwich/David Garrad

Baltimore: 6-10 Kyle Boller/Anthony Wright

Atlanta: 8-8 Michael Vick

2006

Pittsburgh: 8-8 Big Ben

2007

Detroit: 7-9 Jon Kitna

Miami: 1-15 Cleo Lemmon/Trent Green/John Beck

KC: 4-12 Damon Huard/Brodie Croyle

New Orleans: 7-9 Brees

San Diego: 11-5 Rivers

Indy: 13-3 Manning

2008

None taken in first

2009

Oakland: 5-11 Russell/Bruce Gradkowski/Charlie Frye

SF: 8-8 Alex Smith/Shaun Hill

PHI: 11-5 McRibb/Kevin Kolb

MN: 12-4 Favre

NYG: 8-8 Manning

TN: 8-8 Vince Young/Kerry Collins

2010

Denver: 4-12 Kyle Orton/The Golden Calf of Bristol

Dallas: 6-10 Jon Kitna/Tony Romo

2011

Cinci: 9-7 Dalton

Atlanta: 10-6 Ryan

KC: 7-9 Matt Cassel/Tyler Palko/Kyle Orton

2012

Jacksonville: 2-14 Chad Henne/Blaine Gabbart

Arizona: 5-11 John Skelton/Kevin Kolb/Ryan Lindley

TN: 6-10 Jake Locker/Matt Hasselbeck

SF: 11-4 Alex Smith/Colin Kaepernick

Again, we're looking at this in a bit of a vacuum, ignoring factors like who was the QB, if the drafted player played significant snaps (see 2012 SF) etc.....

EDIT: Added the Quarterbacks because I feel it gives a better representation.....

Quoting this because I added the Quarterbacks playing significant snaps in so you can see that the best teams had at least "good" QB play....

[koolkatluke]

Quoting this because I added the Quarterbacks playing significant snaps in so you can see that the best teams had at least "good" QB play....

I know this is a lot to ask but what were the stats of some of those 1st round WR so we can see their impact on their teams.

[carolina-chuck]

KKL is still in my post. Hmmm, thought he created two posts saying he didn't give a rat :/

[LinvilleGorge]

The only OL I wouldn't be mad at 14 would be Warmack and Cooper.

No way. I think both are very good prospects, but #14 is just too high for an OG.

[koolkatluke]

KKL is still in my post. Hmmm, thought he created two posts saying he didn't give a rat :/

I like how you get defensive when people don't agree with you.

[carolina-chuck]

No way. I think both are very good prospects, but #14 is just too high for an OG.

14 is too high for a mauler in Warmack? Whoa, you're insane. We'd be lucky if Warmack is still there at 14.

Cooper, it depends how high you have him on your board. I have seen someone on NFL network last week who had him going before Warmack to Tennessee, bc he's more athletic than Warmack and can play all three interior OLINE positions.

[carolina-chuck]

I like how you get defensive when people don't agree with you.

Hahaha what? Really ?

I think 95% of the members on here would say that exact quote you just said to you. Wow! I'm going to sleep buddy