Further evidence that WR trumps O-Line as a need (PFF edition).

[carpanfan96]

Did you also add in the fact that Wash, and Seattle QB had a 11 to 15 points higher comp. Rate? Do to the safer throws they made and the riskier ones Cam was ask to make. That can explain the attempts an yards. Plus did you note that Seattle nor Washington had a Wr that had Smiths or Olsen's targets or numbers. So while Lafell is comparable to even some of the #1 option on both teams. Neither one has a WR compare to Smith.

Then again we will go back to the scheme only 2

wr in this type offense had 1,000 yards.

Oline again show how many times Cam was pressured and hit.

Better yet show the 1st 5 games when Kail was in the line up. Cam. Still took hits and pressure in the1st 5 games.

As for Oline, I've done showed the hits. The Panther's were top 12 in QB hits over the entire season. lol

Again - you can't compare the offenses, they are completely different. I mean completely different.

wow they ran a few similar plays with speedy QB's, that's about it..... seriously the offenses don't compare.

Two of them are spread west coast style passing attacks with the option plays added in, the other one is an air coryell offense. Stop being silly, I mean seriously.

The best comparison you can make is the NYG. SF, Seattle and Washington just don't compare offensively to the Panther's and its a stupid comparison at that. There's a reason that Cousins in back up duty had a 65% completion percentage. Your grasping at straws with the QB option business and it's silly.

Even still though here's the YPA for each of the three. Can you tell me, who's who?

8.1 YPA, 8.0 YPA, 7.9 YPA..... You really going to bring that up???? lol

11-15 points.... do what?

65.6/64.1/57.7

lol....

You certainly are Grasping at straws comparing completion percentage in a WCO to an Air Coryell,

[Growl]

The Carolina Panthers continue their pre-draft process, as they met with Louisiana Tech's Quinton Patton, according to Tony Pauline.

At this stage it's a near-guarantee we'll see a receiver as one of the team's first two picks. The amount of time they've spent looking into the position dwarfs all others, and they're focusing primarily on players who will be available in the first and second rounds.

[koolkatluke]

ha ha ha ha...someone is taking this poo too seriously and too personally. man you get defensive.

when did i ever say either one of those. if that's what you're taking from that, it's on you.

and i never said i was different than anyone else preference-wise. you just take this anti-WR in the first round thing like you're on a mission from God.

chill out. lol

If you read I said WR coalition in general. Not just you.

And you say I take it seriously. But I'm the one who is told that

1. I'm a hater

2. I shouldn't post my opinion.

3. I'm either having sex or related to a player.

4. Or People who want WR are just more open minded then the rest of you.

All this instead of just disproving my opinion.

[rayzor]

If you read I said WR coalition in general. Not just you.

And you say I take it seriously. But I'm the one who is told that

1. I'm a hater

2. I shouldn't post my opinion.

3. I'm either having sex or related to a player.

All this instead of just disproving my opinion.

did i ever say any of these things? and even if i did, learn the mantra "of it don't apply, let it fly". don't let what other posters say about you bother you. the more you show it, the more it's going to fly at you.

now i did say that those anti-WRs-in-the-first-round guys are more closed minded about the first round than those who just feel like WR should definitely be considered and not ruled out because some people think there are no players worth the pick, which you are proving to be true. you are more narrow-minded about that.

again, you're just taking this poo too seriously and too personally. you're getting all worked up and hostile attacking people who don't agree with you like it's some kind of personal mission. you make yourself a target in all that and so people like to jab you with pointy sticks just because they know you're going to react.

back off your hard core stance a bit. just a suggestion.

[rayzor]

The Carolina Panthers continue their pre-draft process, as they met with Louisiana Tech's Quinton Patton, according to Tony Pauline.

At this stage it's a near-guarantee we'll see a receiver as one of the team's first two picks. The amount of time they've spent looking into the position dwarfs all others, and they're focusing primarily on players who will be available in the first and second rounds.

i'm lazy. you got a link for that?

i agree with that assessment.

you also have to consider that the team has not met or scheduled any visits with OGs. that's not to say they won't take one, it just won't likely be until later in the draft.

the guys they are looking at are the guys they are interested in. the positions they look at the most you could probably safely conclude are the ones they are most interested in drafting early. it could be a smokescreen, but i don't see how anyone could blow off stuff like this.

it's obvious that the team wants a dynamic offense. it's obvious that they want play makers. it's obvious that they want touchdown scorers (which gettleman listed second behind needing a QB ahead of big guys, if you pay attention to that kind of thing). it's obvious that they are interested in WRs early because of the guys they are looking at.

you may not agree with it, but there's no denying that the team is more likely to go that way than other positions. either the first or the second round...be ready for it.

[koolkatluke]

As for Oline, I've done showed the hits. The Panther's were top 12 in QB hits over the entire season. lol

Again - you can't compare the offenses, they are completely different. I mean completely different.

wow they ran a few similar plays with speedy QB's, that's about it..... seriously the offenses don't compare.

Two of them are spread west coast style passing attacks with the option plays added in, the other one is an air coryell offense. Stop being silly, I mean seriously.

The best comparison you can make is the NYG. SF, Seattle and Washington just don't compare offensively to the Panther's and its a stupid comparison at that. There's a reason that Cousins in back up duty had a 65% completion percentage. Your grasping at straws with the QB option business and it's silly.

Even still though here's the YPA for each of the three. Can you tell me, who's who?

8.1 YPA, 8.0 YPA, 7.9 YPA..... You really going to bring that up???? lol

11-15 points.... do what?

65.6/64.1/57.7

lol....

You certainly are Grasping at straws comparing completion percentage in a WCO to an Air Coryell,

You're grasping at straws because even manning had almost 60 more attempts then Cam. But you want to compare that offense with ours more then the other Option offenses that were developed from ours?? Really.

How many rushing attempts and rushing TD did Eli have?

[koolkatluke]

I'm debating this on my phone. So I'm at a slight disadvantage when looking up stats.

[carpanfan96]

You're grasping at straws because even manning had almost 60 more attempts then Cam. But you want to compare that offense with ours more then the other Option offenses that were developed from ours?? Really.

How many rushing attempts and rushing TD did Eli have?

No, not really. They might have passed the ball a bit more then we did but it's not as lopsided as it is with a comparison to Seattle, SF or Washington. Plus the offenses are similar in style, the only difference is one team has some of its rushing yards from the QB and the other completely from it's RB corp.

The reason I compare with NY is because the base offense minus the option plays is more similar then Carolina compared to Washington, Seattle or SF's base offenses minus the QB option plays.

60 more attempts is a lot closer then 80-100 less attempts when completions and style of offense are compared. (No the Panther's offense isn't a run option offense, it's an Air Coryell offense with the Run Option added in to it in a few packages.)

Both teams run a lot of spread out of the Shotgun. That's why they are comparable, not because one's QB can run the ball or not.

All Cam Newton being able to run the ball does is make the WR's jobs easier, which hurts Lafell in these comparisons.

I made the comparison because of the WR route tree's and how often they are used are more comparable between NY and Carolina vs Carolina and the other teams with mobile QB's that run a option run plays.

I'm not just factoring in the fact a QB can or can't run, it's not the most important factor here. Everything comes into play, Attempts, Completions, passing yards, touchdowns, rushing yards. WR tree route probability and style of offensive system.

(IE Air Coryell vs a WCO) Deep down field passing based off of play action meant to spread the defense out vertically vs more moderate to short routes made to spread the defense horizontally.)

Your just looking at basic stats and the fact that a QB can or can't run, which isn't the whole story.

My comparison - makes sense when you factor everything in

Your comparisons - Don't make sense when you factor everything in.

[carpanfan96]

I'm debating this on my phone. So I'm at a slight disadvantage when looking up stats.

I was wondering why you didn't pull up the NYG receiver stats, now I know why.

Hint -

Nicks is better WR and more capable of getting 1000 yards, but last season he was hurt (missed some games and was hurt in some others) and his stats are favorable to Lafell's excluding targets.

[DaCityKats]

Roto says we took Patton out today so add another WR to the interest list. That now makes 7 or 8 of the top WR prospects we have shown interest in.

[SuperMan]

I for one think if used right Ginn could be a great deep threat guys got speed to burn and has never had a QB with an arm like Cam.

[koolkatluke]

No, not really. They might have passed the ball a bit more then we did but it's not as lopsided as it is with a comparison to Seattle, SF or Washington. Plus the offenses are similar in style, the only difference is one team has some of its rushing yards from the QB and the other completely from it's RB corp.

The reason I compare with NY is because the base offense minus the option plays is more similar then Carolina compared to Washington, Seattle or SF's base offenses minus the QB option plays.

60 more attempts is a lot closer then 80-100 less attempts when completions and style of offense are compared. (No the Panther's offense isn't a run option offense, it's an Air Coryell offense with the Run Option added in to it in a few packages.)

Both teams run a lot of spread out of the Shotgun. That's why they are comparable, not because one's QB can run the ball or not.

All Cam Newton being able to run the ball does is make the WR's jobs easier, which hurts Lafell in these comparisons.

I made the comparison because of the WR route tree's and how often they are used are more comparable between NY and Carolina vs Carolina and the other teams with mobile QB's that run a option run plays.

I'm not just factoring in the fact a QB can or can't run, it's not the most important factor here. Everything comes into play, Attempts, Completions, passing yards, touchdowns, rushing yards. WR tree route probability and style of offensive system.

(IE Air Coryell vs a WCO) Deep down field passing based off of play action meant to spread the defense out vertically vs more moderate to short routes made to spread the defense horizontally.)

Your just looking at basic stats and the fact that a QB can or can't run, which isn't the whole story.

My comparison - makes sense when you factor everything in

Your comparisons - Don't make sense when you factor everything in.

60 more attempts is still a lopsided comparison no matter how you spin it. Then you have no equation to compare the addition of a running QB. When comparing NY offense to ours. Cam is such a major part to our running game that it's hard to compare to a QB who can't run.

Examples can you calculate how many TD opportunities were taken from the WR's when we ran the shotgun dive play with Cam?

[carpanfan96]

Roto says we took Patton out today so add another WR to the interest list. That now makes 7 or 8 of the top WR prospects we have shown interest in.

Looks like Carolina will be selecting a WR for sure in the first two rounds. I'd imagine it would be pretty unlikely for a team to use 7 of it's limited workouts on different WR's and not select at least one of them.

[koolkatluke]

I was wondering why you didn't pull up the NYG receiver stats, now I know why.

Hint -

Nicks is better WR and more capable of getting 1000 yards, but last season he was hurt (missed some games and was hurt in some others) and his stats are favorable to Lafell's excluding targets.

Nicks is a number 1 wr nobody is saying Lafell is.