Further evidence that WR trumps O-Line as a need (PFF edition).

[Ivan The Awesome]

honestly i thought he played better than Ron, and said he should have been cut last preseason. since Gettis could not beat Edwards does that make him better? i think Kearse can be servicable at NT but OT and WR needs to be upgraded.

I agree to a degree. Kearse is a better option than Fua. But Kearse could not beat out Ron, until his injury. So to clarify, Gettis was injured before the start, not giving him the chance to compete. Of course Armanti will beat out Gettis, if Gettis isn't there to complete. Armanti did not get a shot until Pilares went down. He did not beat out Pilares until he went down too. They are all needs, I'm just putting a higher priority to the lines than the WR position.

So to me if you improve the lines in FA, you can go ahead and take a WR in the draft. There will be stop gaps, but where will the stop gap benefit the most in order to draft a young replacement for the remaining positions of need?

If you stop gap the lines then by all means, go WR in the first round. If you can't find a solution VIA FA, then taking a linemen in the first two rounds becomes the safest option. With higher success rate than a WR.

[SauceBoss]

im gonna laugh when we don't take a receiver at 14.

[jarhead]

In my opinion Panther4life always has well thought out post and adds value to this board.It does not mean you have to agree or disagree but give the guy credit as he deserves it

My philosophy is you build from the inside out depending on how the coaches evaluate each position of need.If the wr does not have time to run a route or the running back does not have a hole what can their true value be? If Cam is holding on to ball to long you fix it. If you want to have a running game you have to have the OL to fix it.To me it boils down to how Rivera grades out each player with the scheme he has in mind. We have an idea on our defensive scheme but really dont know what Shula will do and chances are it will not be the same as Chuds

I think some of us post what we would like to see and others post based on what we feel the coaches would like to see.If Rivera and company feel we have the talent on the OL and DL I would not be surprised if we added a play maker but I am not sold on that notion yet. Personally I see this as a deep wr class without elite talent at the top unless you want a slot receiver in which case T Austin in my opinion is elite.

[rayzor]

im gonna laugh when we don't take a receiver at 14.

here's the thing. most advocating taking a WR early wouldn't be pissed at all for not taking a WR early because they trust gettleman and realize that pretty much anyone we take will be good enough to be pretty quick contributors or even starters and there's several ways we could go that would make sense.

the only ones who are really going to melt down are the ones arguing against taking one sense they think it would be a horrible mistake and there's no WR worth taking at #14 since theres no julio or aj green....which is a a ridiculously narrow minded mindset to have since those kind of talents rarely show up and when they do don't make it past 10, but that doesn't take away from the insane value of WRs in the pass heavy league that causes them to be drafted higher and earlier like QBs are.

point is...those advocating a WR aren't into limiting choices to just a couple positions and a small pool of talent like those arguing against taking one are.

[koolkatluke]

here's the thing. most advocating taking a WR early wouldn't be pissed at all for not taking a WR early because they trust gettleman and realize that pretty much anyone we take will be good enough to be pretty quick contributors or even starters and there's several ways we could go that would make sense.

the only ones who are really going to melt down are the ones arguing against taking one sense they think it would be a horrible mistake and there's no WR worth taking at #14 since theres no julio or aj green....which is a a ridiculously narrow minded mindset to have since those kind of talents rarely show up and when they do don't make it past 10, but that doesn't take away from the insane value of WRs in the pass heavy league that causes them to be drafted higher and earlier like QBs are.

point is...those advocating a WR aren't into limiting choices to just a couple positions and a small pool of talent like those arguing against taking one are.

You are such a hypocrite.

The WR's coalition on this MB will say "we don't really care what the team drafts we trust the FO" but starts Threads like the 1 we're in about "Why we need to Draft a WR".

Where are the other Threads about why we need to draft this position or that position??

Who really going to melt down here? The people who want to talk WR all the time and why we need 1 in the 1st round and start threads about it. Or the people who don't.

[carpanfan96]

You are such a hypocrite.

The WR's coalition on this MB will say "we don't really care what the team drafts we trust the FO" but starts Threads like the 1 we're in about "Why we need to Draft a WR".

Where are the other Threads about why we need to draft this position or that position??

Who really going to melt down here? The people who want to talk WR all the time and why we need 1 in the 1st round and start threads about it. Or the people who don't.

lol, what?

The reason for the topics is that ol and dt have been discussed repeatedly over the last few months. Wr is ignored by the majority of the board, just like the team ignores it.

Team needs a future #1, #2 and some added depth. Carolina has one of the worst wr corp in the NFL.

Lafell is a good solid #3 at best, smitty is near the end and that's it for Wr on the Panthers.

[koolkatluke]

lol, what?

The reason for the topics is that ol and dt have been discussed repeatedly over the last few months. Wr is ignored by the majority of the board, just like the team ignores it.

Team needs a future #1, #2 and some added depth. Carolina has one of the worst wr corp in the NFL.

Lafell is a good solid #3 at best, smitty is near the end and that's it for Wr on the Panthers.

Where the fug have you been the last 10 years really??

"WR has been Ignored on this board" Really???? I've been in this debate for 3 years now every time during the draft.

So in your opinion we need to draft 3 WR's. I get it we don't have a future #1, #2 or #3 wr. We had a had a top 6 then a top 12 offense but we have the worst WR corp in the NFL. really??????

Since 2008 this team has drafted 5 wr's then we add in the 3-4 maybe 5 in FA at that same time period. And you think the team ignored the position really???

[rayzor]

You are such a hypocrite.

The WR's coalition on this MB will say "we don't really care what the team drafts we trust the FO" but starts Threads like the 1 we're in about "Why we need to Draft a WR".

Where are the other Threads about why we need to draft this position or that position??

Who really going to melt down here? The people who want to talk WR all the time and why we need 1 in the 1st round and start threads about it. Or the people who don't.

hypocrite? man you take this crap too seriously. back away from the computer dude. it's not as serious as all that.

have i gone and started those threads?

here's the deal since you seem to have a REALLLY difficult time understanding.

people WANT to draft a WR, but few believe we actually HAVE to draft one with that first pick nor do they think anything other than a WR would be a mistake in the first or even second round the way you and your "coalition" (seriously? coalition? lol tooooo funny there little fella) would consider it a mistake to draft one in the first.

flat out, those wanting to draft a WR are a whole lot more open minded than the likes of those who, like you, would piss and moan and complain ad nauseum if we did happen to draft one in the first.

you've complained about how i don't pay attention to what you say in other threads, but you are doing the same thing because in other threads over and over i said we'd probably go BPA and not once did i have a problem with that. i'd like for us to go WR in one of the first two rounds but i'm not going to be pissed if we don't...esp. to the degree that you would if we did. i can tell you that the more i hear you bitch about that idea, the more i want one drafted in the first just to see your reaction which would be hilarious.

again, i don't really care what way we go. i prefer WR, but i'm not going to go on some freakout if we don't. i might gripe if we pick up an OG in the first round, but i'll get over it quickly. i might scratch my head if we draft DE or LB, but i'd get over that pretty quickly as well because, apparently unlike you, i don't think we'd draft WR or anything in the first that the personnel evaluating guru gettleman believed would be an excellent pick and i'm truly fine with it.

also, understand this....my posting in these threads and participation in these discussions has not been saying that WR is the only way to go. my main point in all of them, aside from that being my stated preference, is that we don't make the mistake of ruling that position out.

got it? if not? i don't really care because really all you are in these threads is a guy to laugh at because of your narrow-mindedness on this subject.

[koolkatluke]

hypocrite? man you take this crap too seriously. back away from the computer dude. it's not as serious as all that.

have i gone and started those threads?

here's the deal since you seem to have a REALLLY difficult time understanding.

people WANT to draft a WR, but few believe we actually HAVE to draft one with that first pick nor do they think anything other than a WR would be a mistake in the first or even second round the way you and your "coalition" (seriously? coalition? lol tooooo funny there little fella) would consider it a mistake to draft one in the first.

flat out, those wanting to draft a WR are a whole lot more open minded than the likes of those who, like you, would piss and moan and complain ad nauseum if we did happen to draft one in the first.

you've complained about how i don't pay attention to what you say in other threads, but you are doing the same thing because in other threads over and over i said we'd probably go BPA and not once did i have a problem with that. i'd like for us to go WR in one of the first two rounds but i'm not going to be pissed if we don't...esp. to the degree that you would if we did. i can tell you that the more i hear you bitch about that idea, the more i want one drafted in the first just to see your reaction which would be hilarious.

again, i don't really care what way we go. i prefer WR, but i'm not going to go on some freakout if we don't. i might gripe if we pick up an OG in the first round, but i'll get over it quickly. i might scratch my head if we draft DE or LB, but i'd get over that pretty quickly as well because, apparently unlike you, i don't think we'd draft WR or anything in the first that the personnel evaluating guru gettleman believed would be an excellent pick and i'm truly fine with it.

also, understand this....my posting in these threads and participation in these discussions has not been saying that WR is the only way to go. my main point in all of them, aside from that being my stated preference, is that we don't make the mistake of ruling that position out.

got it? if not? i don't really care because really all you are in these threads is a guy to laugh at because of your narrow-mindedness on this subject.

And people want to draft other position as well. But they aren't making threads everyday about it.

Or saying stupid stuff like "if we draft WR people will kill themselves".

Most people will agree with any decision the FO makes in the draft.

So you're no different then anybody else. You have your preference I have mine.

The problem is this whole dumb thinking that people who want WR are more "open minded better human beings". What the fug is wrong with you this is just a game.

[carolina-chuck]

Cam can't do nothing with a great OLINE if no receiver can get open.

[koolkatluke]

Cam can't do nothing with a great OLINE if no receiver can get open.

And what proof do you have that they weren't getting open?

[carolina-chuck]

And what proof do you have that they weren't getting open?

Save it bud. I'm not getting into the whole Lafail talk again.

[carpanfan96]

Where the fug have you been the last 10 years really??

"WR has been Ignored on this board" Really???? I've been in this debate for 3 years now every time during the draft.

So in your opinion we need to draft 3 WR's. I get it we don't have a future #1, #2 or #3 wr. We had a had a top 6 then a top 12 offense but we have the worst WR corp in the NFL. really??????

A lot of people keep saying it's not a need or to wait till round 4 or get a late round WR. The Team did the same except for Lafell. Crappy cheap vet's or late round picks hardly ever fix an issue, so yes the team has ignored it. It needs a major Talent upgrade either through a major FA addition or a high draft pick.

Yes, it's one of the worst in the NFL. the year the Panther's were ranked 6th in offense

17 TD's and 1850 yards were from two TE's and Smitty. Another 600 yards to RB's.That's over 60 percent of the passing offense to players not lining up in the WR #2 or Wr #3 spots and the vast majority of the team's touchdowns through the air. On top of that 20% of those passing yards were acquired in the first two games of the season and the team's 3rd ranked rushing attack. 23rd in passing attempts, 18th in completions with 20 drops by the team.

Team preferred to run the ball and the RB's and TE's had a high percentage of the passing offense with little reliance on the WR #2 and wr #3 spots. However the WR #2 spot for the Panther's managed 44 catches for the Panther's and then played in just 4 games in 2012.

2012 season - 16th ranked passing offense in the NFL in yards, 26th in attempts 29th in completions. 24th in scoring through the air.

With 55 percent of the teams yardage to Smitty and Olsen on 49 percent of the targets. 44 targets to the #2 WR for the second straight season, this time to Lafell. (which ranks near the bottom in the NFL btw.) WR #3 and #4 - 27 receptions (again, near the bottom in the NFL) Another 600 yards passing to the RB's which is comparable to WR #2 for the Panther's.

All of the yardage stats are similar to the NFL league averages except for the amount of catches and yards for the WR #2 and #3 for the Panther's.

Compared to ATL, Denver, Dallas and New Orleans who both had 2 1000 yard WR this past season. The Saints and Falcons almost had a third receiver with over 1000 yards. Around 12 teams had two or more WR's (not including TE's) with over 800 yards last season. Seattle, Pittsburgh, Arizona, Green Bay, Miami, Indy, Atlanta, Denver, Dallas, New Orleans, NY, Baltimore, Oakland, Saint Louis, and Philly all had #2 WR's with more yards then the Panthers then Lafell. Most of those teams had a 3rd WR with similar numbers to Lafell plus a TE that got decent catch + yard percentages of the team's passing offense. Washington had 4 WR's over 500 yards compared to just 2 for Carolina. Oakland has 3 WR's with over 500 yards receiving plus a TE over 700 yards. Same thing with over half the league.

A list of about 8 teams had #3 wr with similar or better numbers then Lafell.

I mean seriously if you did all that research you claim you did on option teams, you'd see that Seattle, San Fran, Washington all have better WR corps then Carolina and the Stats back that up. It's seriously one of the worst WR corps in the NFL talent wise. Yea they might have good hands, but they can't get open if it meant saving their lives.

just another note as for the OL people, The panther's were middle of the Pack to top 12 in OL passing rankings based on straight stats. Fix the RG spot with a vet and the OL is fixed.

(Offensive line rankings through NFL.com, ranked 16th in sacks at 36th and 20th in QB hits at 67) Middle of the pack in sacks and in the top 12 in hits allowed.

[koolkatluke]

Save it bud. I'm not getting into the whole Lafail talk again.

What about the Steve Smith Greg Olsen talk? Those are the first 2 options. You said are not getting open.