(Joe P exclusive)The Gettle speaks: Understands our frustrations

[Floppin]

You guys mince words so bad its not even funny.

So here we go 1 sentence at a time to make it easier on some of you guys(not trying to be an asshole and start some internet beef so please nobody take it that way okay :)).

Let me be clear. We are in a shitty cap situation and thats because of the contract's Hurney signed.

Dwelling on Hurney's shortcoming's in every thread will not make our situation any better.

I am not down and out on Gettleman yet.

However I do not like the fact that Gettleman was quick to re-sign Brockel, Harstock,Senn and even considered signing the likes of Frank Omiyale and Chris Williams who are not better than anyone on our team from what I have read and see when looking at Pro Football Focus stats.

I know we have little money to spend, so why waste any of it on the guys I just mentioned, when he specifically said he's going to set us up for bpa in the draft and says we need to imrpove the bottom of the roster as well.

Lastly there are guys at the bottom of the roster, of which he mentioned improving that can be cut,cause 0 dead money in the future and allow us more room to make moves.

You can't base all personnel signings, especially depth signings, based on advanced statistics. They can be skewed in any number of ways: shitty overall scheme, improper scheme fit, bad coaching, etc. Gettleman is regarded as one of the premier talent evaluaters in the league, so I'll trust his judgement on who he chases on depth signings, especially to this point.

Now regarding your point about cutting depth chart bottom dwellers to free up space - this isn't really that cut and dry. Cutting low salary people doesn't really free up much money, and certainly not the entire value of their contract. Every time you cut a low salary guy yo effectively add another person to the cap figure at the same time - someone that wasn't a top 51 salary before that person was cut. So you see, when you cut someone with a 600k salary it bumps up someone with a around a league min salary onto the cap figure, so you only net about a 200k cap gain. Point being we can't just cut a ton of low salary guys to make room for big signings, unless they literally cut everyone. You only really make room by cutting large contracts. You replace low contract guys with similar low contract guys in lateral moves because just cutting them does next to nothing for your cap.

[panther4life]

You can't base all personnel signings, especially depth signings, based on advanced statistics. They can be skewed in any number of ways: shitty overall scheme, improper scheme fit, bad coaching, etc. Gettleman is regarded as one of the premier talent evaluaters in the league, so I'll trust his judgement on who he chases on depth signings, especially to this point.

True but Omiyale and Williams have failed in multiple places, plus I try to do my due diligence to at least be have somewhat of an informed opinion when discussing possible moves. None of us are better than Gettleman at his job, but it should not preclude us from discussing potential signings.

Now regarding your point about cutting depth chart bottom dwellers to free up space - this isn't really that cut and dry. Cutting low salary people doesn't really free up much money, and certainly not the entire value of their contract. Every time you cut a low salary guy yo effectively add another person to the cap figure at the same time - someone that wasn't a top 51 salary before that person was cut. So you see, when you cut someone with a 600k salary it bumps up someone with a around a league min salary onto the cap figure, so you only net about a 200k cap gain. Point being we can't just cut a ton of low salary guys to make room for big signings, unless they literally cut everyone. You only really make room by cutting large contracts. You replace low contract guys with similar low contract guys in lateral moves because just cutting them does next to nothing for your cap.

Valid point, that I had never considered. Good post.

[XClown1986]

The fuging guy said he has a plan. Can we wait until training camp before the explosion of period blood and tears? Some of you people are unreal.

[SmashNDash]

I'm glad he came out and at least said something. From the sound of it, I expect some big restructures or cuts in the near future.

[DaCityKats]

that seems like something we say every year, but yet havent been in the playoffs since 08.

[Miaoww]

Well YOU can't print money...

Not legally at least.

[Ken]

that seems like something we say every year, but yet havent been in the playoffs since 08.

That's not really fair in regards to Gettleman.

[chknwing]

"This team is a fuging mess and I'm doing my damnedest to fix it" Don Gettleman

its Dave :)

[Kurb]

its Dave :)

I would not speak of the Don with so much familiarity.

[Guest BlueBoyRamses_E1b1a]

We're missing the window of opportunity to be contender while Cam is under the new rookie wage. While teams like the seahaws/9ers/dolphins are taking full advantage signing top supporting casts while paying peanuts to their QBs.

We have too many RBs in a passing league.

[Panthro]

Don Gettleman would have signed someone of significance by now

[panthers55]

You would think it was November and we were 2-8. Isn't this the team that won 4 out of our 5 games? Why all the doom and gloom. We already have most of the pieces we need to compete next year already. We aren't Cleveland or Miami. With a few breaks we should have won 10 games last year.

The fact we won 7 and people were so pissed off speaks to the fact everyone expected more based on the talent on this team. We might not be a contender for the Super Bowl this year but I do think we will be playing meaningful games in December next Fall.

[spartan_pantherfan]

Lets uhhhh finish the off season and decide how hes done?

After the last pre-season game, we will know if Gettlemen was making the right moves. I mean, AT LEAST give him until the draft.

[Panthro]

You would think it was November and we were 2-8. Isn't this the team that won 4 out of our 5 games? Why all the doom and gloom. We already have most of the pieces we need to compete next year already.

because we won 4 outta 6 to end 2011

because we won 4 outta 6 to end 2009

Ending strong isn't new to us