Panthro's "Hollow suit" theory date back to 02?

[panther4life]

Remember the Kris Jenkins interview on WFNZ.....where he said something to the affect of hand puppet minter and hand puppet Rucker running up to the owners office and think that by kissing his Butt they were gaining favor.

Jenkins also speaks about how Seifert was a headstrong coach and wanted things done his way. After we went 1-15 Jerry went out and got the polar opposite of Seifert. Fox was not established, very green as far as what goes into being a head coach. Fox tried to represent what want the owner wanted, said Fox should have been the one in control of the locker room since he was there with them everyday not the other way around.

"A lot of the biggest issues we had as players when we were playing here, it was all about the investors. It wasn't about trying to win, from the music when were coming out the tunnel, nobody wants to hear britney spears coming out the tunnel. "

The whole interview is the most insightful thing you'll ever hear from any player.45 minutes but very well worth it. If your limited on time skip to 13 minutes and 30 minutes.

http://charlotte.cbs...the-mac-attack/

Here's more fuel to the fire which mostly has been discussed before.(Speaking about Kasay's release)

"Well, obviously that was very difficult. John has been a great team role model here in the locker room and in the community, as well, and I guess that was one of the most difficult calls I've made since I owned the team," says Richardson

http://www.foxcharlo...-Interview.html

From the same link he says the leaders of the team are Davis,Beason,Gross,Deangelo,Kalil, and Stewart. Says Godfrey and Anderson can be. Coincidentally these are the biggest contracts still on the books. You can blame Hurney for the astronomical signing bonuses he gave out after the lockout or maybe just maybe Richardson had been saving the money up to do just that during the lockout.

His last statement in the interview with Fogarty was that he has no hobbies other than the panthers. He's either at the office or at home he says. So he's obviously doing more than just signing checks and getting out of the way of everyone else doing their job.

We all know about Cam Newton having to go to JR's house and be told no tattoo's or piercings/ plus other stuff that was never leaked from that meeting before being drafted.

Remember Hurney saying he never did more research on a single prospect in his life, yet he still had to get JR'S final approval on Cam.

I didn't remember Smith specifically going to Jerry's house to request a trade as mentioned in the article titled the man behind the curtain by Colin from WFNZ.

Or what about the speculation of Brandon Beane becoming the next GM. No way in hell Acorsi would have endorsed that. Granted he would have been the best hollow suit possible.

Rivera was passed up how several times but yet we decided on him here. I got to think a part of that was Rivera willing to sacfrice on some level to understand thing's are going to be done Jerry's way even if it makes the ultimate goal a little tougher.

Then you've got Getteman who was completely okay with keeping the entire regime left over before he got here from scouting department all the way up to the head coach.

All that being said everyone with more insight than us, including Jenkins says Jerry wants to win as much as anyone. Thats fine and dandy that he wants to win. Everybody wants something but often times are not willing to make the sacrifice's it takes to get what they want. In Jerry's case it appears he's not willing to sacrifice profits either for his investors sake and or his own amongst other things.

Before any blind supporters go crazy on me I am not saying he's a bad guy on a personal level but his team's success from a winning standpoint speaks for itself.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

what a great offseason this is turning out to be

[Gucci Mane]

I think hes a little old to really be caring enough to hinder the team in the name of profits. Yes he is questionable but he has always been, this isnt news. Usually the most expensive asset is the one that generates the most profit, and i doubt charles johson is the one people are coming to see.

[Doc Holiday]

Jenkins got butt hurt after he signed a contract with us was hurt two seasons came back for one season and was a probowler and then demanded a new contact. We didn't give him a new one and traded him to the jets because of that.

Taking everything that Jenkins says gospel is ridicules, and a owner that has hundreds of millions of dollars invested into a team also gives his input on things from time to time and anyone here is shocked?

JR isn't Jerry Jones but to think he would be completely hands off is silly, he has too much money, time and effort involved to not be.

My biggest thing against Jerry was the 2010 season because that was his fault.

[TylerVagyler]

I've said all along JR is the reason we aren't winning.

[CRA]

Jenkins got butt hurt after he signed a contract with us was hurt two seasons came back for one season and was a probowler and then demanded a new contact. We didn't give him a new one and traded him to the jets because of that.

Taking everything that Jenkins says gospel is ridicules, and a owner that has hundreds of millions of dollars invested into a team also gives his input on things from time to time and anyone here is shocked?

JR isn't Jerry Jones but to think he would be completely hands off is silly, he has too much money, time and effort involved to not be.

My biggest thing against Jerry was the 2010 season because that was his fault.

should be noted, Jenkins was running his mouth about the atmosphere here...while he was still playing here. It's not like he started singing the song after he was traded...

The whole mess is JR's fault really.

Fox should of been fired after 2009....wasn't.

Hurney should of been fired after 2010....wasn't.

He handicapped Rivera with Hurney....

Now has Rivera as a lameduck

That is all JR...about a half decade of putting us in less than favorable scenarios from a football winning aspect....yet it remains one of the most profitable.

Several kind of guys own a business like this...some want to make money and some like Mark Cuban are in for both winning and money equally. I think JR does put his investors first....not about winning and making a profit. About maximizing profit and winning as best you can under those conditions.

[csx]

There really should be a separate forum for complaining about the owner. Just call it the Huddle and get a new name for the one were people discuss anything else.

[Gabeking]

There really should be a separate forum for complaining about the owner. Just call it the Huddle and get a new name for the one were people discuss anything else.

Panthro's Corner

[PhillyB]

i used to think jerry was the best owner in the league... lol

[TheRumGone]

JR isn't a good owner....but this is like reading a conspiracy theorists' manifesto

[CRA]

JR is a good owner....if you are looking at it just as a business looking to make money.

He does whatever it takes to maximize his earnings and make his investors happy....and will try to win under whatever conditions that creates.

All owners aren't wired like that...sure being a successful business is always a priority....but winning and being a great NFL team gets them to make some slightly different decisions IMO. For example if Mark Cuban bought the Panthers....we would be much different in many different aspects. Wired different and his priorities are shifted differently

[TheRumGone]

JR is a good owner....if you are looking at it just as a business looking to make money.

None of us are looking at it that way, that's what is so annoying about him.

[PhillyB]

any way you shake it profit over winning = terrible owner

[CRA]

any way you shake it profit over winning = terrible owner

From a legit fans perspective....not from the ownership group.

I'd rather have an owner that was more emotionally invested into winning and the actual football aspect. I'd want my owner to say we will take it on the chin...I am not having a lame duck Fox for 2010 and let Marty Hurney draft an entire class of players for an unknown coach, scheme, etc.