Panthers want Gross to take a pay cut

[Gucci Mane]

Gamble is average at best.. he is easily replaceable. We did it when he was injured. Hes had some good years but his best years are behind him and norman/thomas/dockery have shown flashes of quality so we get so see how they pan out with them being young.

as for gross, i think he will restructure. we need him, and he needs us.

[La Pantera]

So, should we be hearing about more restructuring the next couple days!?

[MHS831]

Explain this, since there are folks on here in the know:

Beason has said he will not take a pay cut.

Cutting him costs us more than playing him,

Extending him or giving him more guaranteed money--he will not be worth his contract at OLB as it is and he is coming off 2 years on the IR (basically).

How is it smart to rework Beason's deal?

[Growl]

Gross deciding not to take a pay cut wouldn't make him any less of a person. He's been a good guy and it wouldn't reflect poorly on him.

If you're trying to convince him to take it, you should remind him that he's getting up there in years and the cap space this move would provide may be the difference between a starter level talent at one of our weak spots or the same ole same ole-which may in turn may the difference between a run at a ring or not..

[MHS831]

That isn't true either. You cut who you have to and you pick up who you can to mitigate the damage from cutting one of your vets. The reality is that Gross has one or two years left anyway and it is hard to find someone who is an upgrade ready to take over unless you get lucky in the draft or is already on the team due to costs. So you do the best you can and find players where you can. Gross is good but not great or an all-pro anymore. We can find an equal for much less than 11 million and will. If Gross doesn't restructure he will be gone- wait and see.

55, read my post about 2 or 3 before this. I address beason and the difficulty of reworking his deal. Tell me what you think.

[CRA]

Restructuring Gross and Beason easily gets us to 10 million without doing anything with WIlliams. I suspect he will be here for this year and released next year if Stewart has a better year than last year. Hard to dump Williams when Stewart is coming off surgery and a down year. There are no guarantees he will be 100%.

Restructuring Beason is dangerous....

Given his absurd numbers and the fact he has appeared in 5 games in 2 yrs

How the new GM deals with Beason will be very interesting.

[csx]

We need money but we need to field a competent team first and foremost. Cutting Gross would be one of the stupidest things this team could possibly do. I am confident they will work something out to alleviate his cap situation and keep him here throughout the remainder of his career.

[CRA]

Restructuring Gross and Beason easily gets us to 10 million without doing anything with WIlliams. I suspect he will be here for this year and released next year if Stewart has a better year than last year. Hard to dump Williams when Stewart is coming off surgery and a down year. There are no guarantees he will be 100%.

That would be true is we where a 1 RB oritented ground attack. We aren't.

Dump a runner....and maybe, the other runners could come close to earning their checks. maybe.

If Stewart isn't 100%...Cam, Tolbert, plus cheap RB is an above average rush attack behind a decent OL

[CollegePanther]

"Only if we give you a job when you're done playing football? Sure, we'll make you OL coach."

[iamhubby1]

My feeling is that Gettlemen will offer Gross a fair contract which will lower the cap hit. It is probably more up to Gross on whether he is here, or not, next year. Counteroffer, and back and forth, should bring us a contract both sides can live with. I just happen to be able to see this scenario working out.

It costs about the same to lose him as to keep him. So you might as well try and work out some sort of deal. I have a feeling Gross and DWill will both give us some relief. Throw in Beason, and we should be fine without losing two key players. Three counting Beast.

Restructures and tweaks should allow us to upgrade a few positions through FA. RG chief among them. I may even hope for a DT to pair with Dwan. We may not be able to afford any elite type players, but this year we can upgrade a few positions, at a reasonable price.

Take a step back and allow yourself to see clearly. We are not that far behind. A few good moves and we are competitive. Draft well and we are even better. Let yourself see the bright side. Contrary to popular belief, it really is painless.

All sorts of reasons to be excited over the future. As I have said before. The future has already started. We are just positioning ourselves for the long haul. Doing things right is a foreign concept round these parts. That is why folks are still a tad leery. Have no fear, Gettlemen is here.

[MadHatter]

They're going to demand the same as what Gross is making now. Why keep paying an aging vet? If he won't take a pay cut, I'd gladly cut him in favor of someone else. Through FA or the draft.

So you would replace Gross with Long, Clady, Winston, or Smith.

Clady....absolute beast, but is going nowhere

Long...played well early, but his play has really splipped the past few seasons and he cannot stay healthy.

Winston/Smith are both downgrades from Gross. They tried Winston as LT in KC, but he struggled. They moved him to the right side.

The above names will cost as much (or very near) what we play Gross and the ones that we can get are downgrades.

The moves you suggested were dumb to say the least.

[panthers55]

That would be true is we where a 1 RB oritented ground attack. We aren't.

Dump a runner....and maybe, the other runners could come close to earning their checks. maybe.

If Stewart isn't 100%...Cam, Tolbert, plus cheap RB is an above average rush attack behind a decent OL

Gentleman said that Cam will be a pocket passer this year. You are the only guy who constantly wants to make him a running back. Get with the program. He is not going to be used like the past 2 years. So no that isn't how we are going to use him and saying it over and over isnt going to make it so. Gettleman is smart enough not to get Newton hurt. And please don't waste my time with how Newton should be used. Take that up with the GM..

[tukafan21]

Gentleman said that Cam will be a pocket passer this year. You are the only guy who constantly wants to make him a running back. Get with the program. He is not going to be used like the past 2 years. So no that isn't how we are going to use him and saying it over and over isnt going to make it so. Gettleman is smart enough not to get Newton hurt. And please don't waste my time with how Newton should be used. Take that up with the GM..

He can be a pocket passer all he wants, but that isn't going to stop us from having 2-5 designed runs for Cam every game. To not do that would be more idiotic than anything.

Not because he needs or should be used that way, but because it forces teams to have to prepare for it, if teams know its not coming, than it limits the potential this offense can have.

He'll also still probably have 5ish runs every game from just scrambling because is still going to be in his nature to take off when the pocket collapses and he sees an opening.

[MadHatter]

I think we are all getting into too many arguments on how Cam will be used going forward.

We have a new OC and a new GM. None of us have any clue what the strategy will now be.

Debating the pros and cons of different philosophies is valid and informative.

Those who keep arguing about how they know anything are comical.