Bucky Brooks' latest mock (has us passing on Patterson). Hmmph.

[koolkatluke]

I'm not dogging Warmack, I just don't see him as the demi-God you do.

Wait a minute don't you have Patterson as the next freak? But a player who is rated higher and some think could be the best player in the draft isn't much to look at????? OK

[LinvilleGorge]

The DROY isn't just any rookie though.

Patrick Peterson was the #5 overall pick in the draft and he made a bigger splash as a rookie on the return team than he did on defense. He was an absolute game changer on special teams while he developed on D. Having big time return skills only adds to a prospect's value. It isn't a reason to draft someone in the 1st round, but it's part of the big picture when looking at a prospect.

[Jackofalltrades]

That's your problem Jack he's not legit. Every Breakdown says he's raw. And now people are saying he might have trouble learning a Playbook.

How many special team plays was Luke in last year?

So, number 1 rated WR in a talented WR draft class is not legit because you take the meaning of the word raw to extremes.

They said Cam couldn't run a pro offense. Said he was raw. They wondered if he had the intelligence to learn a pro system/playbook/calls. He was just a great athlete masquerading as a QB...

You're going to need a better arguement than that.

[koolkatluke]

I also don't think it's a smart Idea to make our top 15 1st round pick our primary returner. How smart is it to put him in danger of taking a kill shot from a 3rd string LB or DB trying to make a name for himself and get on the highlight reel.

[Jackofalltrades]

Wait a minute don't you have Patterson as the next freak? But a player who is rated higher and some think could be the best player in the draft isn't much to look at????? OK

No, I have him as the best WR in this draft class who I'd be happy drafting. If we passed on him for someone else I'd be just fine with it, Doesn't mean I don't think he can be damn good for years to come.

There's only one person I'm in love with from this draft - Star.

[Jackofalltrades]

I also don't think it's a smart Idea to make our top 15 1st round pick our primary returner. How smart is it to put him in danger of taking a kill shot from a 3rd string LB or DB trying to make a name for himself and get on the highlight reel.

Yeah...how often does that actually happen?

[LinvilleGorge]

I also don't think it's a smart Idea to make our top 15 1st round pick our primary returner. How smart is it to put him in danger of taking a kill shot from a 3rd string LB or DB trying to make a name for himself and get on the highlight reel.

If he has a chance to make the type of impact Patrick Peterson did on returns, then you damn straight you put him back there.

[ItsPantone278]

Patterson doesn't catch the ball with his hands with anywhere near the consistency that I want to see with a #14 pick when you could have had a better player. Nor has he shown that he can consistently go up and compete for the ball in the air against DBs. He is simply a really big athletic guy that was able to use that athleticism to make plays in college. He is not AJ Green. He is not Dez Bryant. He is not Julio Jones. He isn't even Mike Crabtree. Not even the 3rd best WR in his own class IMO.

[LinvilleGorge]

Patterson doesn't catch the ball with his hands with anywhere near the consistency that I want to see with a #14 pick when you could have had a better player. Nor has he shown that he can consistently go up and compete for the ball in the air against DBs. He is simply a really big athletic guy that was able to use that athleticism to make plays in college. He is not AJ Green. He is not Dez Bryant. He is not Julio Jones. He isn't even Mike Crabtree. Not even the 3rd best WR in his own class IMO.

I'm not sure I disagree with any of that.

He'd be a helluva risk at #14, no denying that.

[Jackofalltrades]

Can't wait to hear what people think about me wanting to gamble on Denard Robinson...

[koolkatluke]

So, number 1 rated WR in a talented WR draft class is not legit because you take the meaning of the word raw to extremes.

They said Cam couldn't run a pro offense. Said he was raw. They wondered if he had the intelligence to learn a pro system/playbook/calls. He was just a great athlete masquerading as a QB...

You're going to need a better arguement than that.

1. There are some places that don't have him as the number 1 rated WR so it's not a consensus.

2. If that word keeps showing up in every breakdown "He is talented but really raw" over and over again. I'm sorry but that's a negative in my eyes.

3. If we are going to keep using Cam as a example. Then Patterson must have had the greatest season of any WR in SEC history and lead a team to a National Championship . Because that's what Cam did. How about you name me a "WR" who was this raw had this little of College production and Experience that was picked in the top 15 of the draft?

4. It's a talented WR class because you can get the same talent and impact from the 3rd and 2nd round prospects as you can get in the 1st. Not because you have a great, elite, can't miss WR prospect.

[top dawg]

Patterson doesn't catch the ball with his hands with anywhere near the consistency that I want to see with a #14 pick when you could have had a better player. Nor has he shown that he can consistently go up and compete for the ball in the air against DBs. He is simply a really big athletic guy that was able to use that athleticism to make plays in college. He is not AJ Green. He is not Dez Bryant. He is not Julio Jones. He isn't even Mike Crabtree. Not even the 3rd best WR in his own class IMO.

Well, you probably know more than me, but the scouts are saying that he can and will fight for the ball in the air. And, like I have said, there are many comparisons to Percy Harvin, who is arguably just as important, if not more than Green, Bryant or Jones to their respective teams. Scouts are giving this guy more credit and attributing way more explosiveness and upside than you seem to be. Just saying.

[TheRumGone]

It was Dwan that took on most of the double teams and still held the point, not Ron. Please, go back and rewatch the games, I already have. You'll see that you're completely wrong.

Also, if you were really as astute at football as you think you are you'd realize size is only a part of the equation. There are a lot of big bodies out there that get knocked around while some of the smaller guys do their jobs. You'd also know that there are different techniques that are employed and there are different ways to use DT's, they're not all the same.

If you have weak LB's and you depend on a NT/UT combo as your base then you're probably right, but if you want to play a gap control D like we do a lot of size isn't that big of a factor.

You're welcome for the intro to football class.

Check out NFL Game Rewind, it's well worth the investment.

Thanks I have learned so much.

Edit: I have decided to elaborate.

I'm not one of these joker posters

I don't claim to know everything. From what I have gathered from other posters as well as what i have read, there are only 2 4-3 defensive teams that have two UT's as their DL. One being the Lions, I mean Suh, come on. I would like to be informed about this honestly. I have not seen Dwan hold up to double teams as well as you have apparently. I remember a poster giving statistical data about run defense efficiency and Dwan was one of the worst. I know data is different than game tape, but I remember Dwan playing better when Ron was in at NT. What happens when Richardson comes in. Do you think Dwan can handle those double teams? I'm not trying to argue here, i want to know. You talk about our LB strengths and our gap control D and size not being a factor, what does that mean exactly. I have a general understanding of gap control, but i don't understand gap control D. You may be some former football player who knows a general understanding of this.

[ItsPantone278]

Well, you probably know more than me, but the scouts are saying that he can and will fight for the ball in the air. And, like I have said, there are many comparisons to Percy Harvin, who is arguably just as important, if not more than Green, Bryant or Jones to their respective teams. Scouts are giving this guy more credit and attributing way more explosiveness and upside than you seem to be. Just saying.

1 game with over 100 yards receiving last year. Thats no Percy Harvin.