Bucky Brooks' latest mock (has us passing on Patterson). Hmmph.

[LinvilleGorge]

Star Lotulelei is still my dream pick at #14 as long as his ticker checks out. Star at #14 would have me doing fuging back flips.

[Jackofalltrades]

Richardson and Dwan are not good run defenders.

Now you're just talking out of your ass. Go back and watch Dwan against the run all season and try to make that comment.

As for Richardson, I don't care if he's "good" against the run. All we need him to do is hold his spot and occupy his blocker and let our exceptional LB Corps do their jobs.

[koolkatluke]

I have yet to see anything that indicates Patterson couldn't get significant action right away as a WR, I also feel confident he'd be the KR right away.

I'm sorry I just don't like to see the word "RAW" when talking about a top 15 pick. I don't see that as a day 1 starter. I also don't want to spend a top 15 pick on a special team returner. I really don't want our 1st round pick risked on a special team play.

[Jackofalltrades]

Star Lotulelei is still my dream pick at #14 as long as his ticker checks out. Star at #14 would have me doing fuging back flips.

Same here. I'd nut instantly and repeatedly.

[rayzor]

Star Lotulelei is still my dream pick at #14 as long as his ticker checks out. Star at #14 would have me doing fuging back flips.

if his ticker checks out i doubt he makes it past #5. definitely not past 10.

[LinvilleGorge]

if his ticker checks out i doubt he makes it past #5. definitely not past 10.

There in lies the problem.

[Jackofalltrades]

I'm sorry I just don't like to see the word "RAW" when talking about a top 15 pick. I don't see that as a day 1 starter. I also don't want to spend a top 15 pick on a special team returner. I really don't want our 1st round pick risked on a special team play.

First rounders play KR/PR pretty often, especially when they've excelled at it before.

You're not spending the pick on a return guy, it's an added bonus. He's a legit receiver who is a bonafide playmaker. He has great size, speed, agility, etc. He, like many, needs to work on technique but to be rated this highly after just one year of NCAA ball says something about his potential.

[koolkatluke]

I like both guards it depends on what type of blocking system you have. Cooper is a perfect fit for a Zone Blocking scheme and Warmack is a man child made for a down hill running attack.

You dog Warmack for a combine performance all you want. But I saw this dude man Handle DT who will and were drafted in the 1st round.

[Jackofalltrades]

if his ticker checks out i doubt he makes it past #5. definitely not past 10.

It could still scare a few key teams away. See Frank Alexander.

[LinvilleGorge]

I don't dog Warmack for his Combine performance, but it is disappointing when a guy shows up to the biggest job interview of his life out of shape.

It'd be akin to an Ivy League valedictorian showing up to his interview with a wrinkled suit and uncombed hair. It's just unbecoming.

[Jackofalltrades]

I like both guards it depends on what type of blocking system you have. Cooper is a perfect fit for a Zone Blocking scheme and Warmack is a man child made for a down hill running attack.

You dog Warmack for a combine performance all you want. But I saw this dude man Handle DT who will and were drafted in the 1st round.

I'm not dogging Warmack, I just don't see him as the demi-God you do.

[TheRumGone]

Now you're just talking out of your ass. Go back and watch Dwan against the run all season and try to make that comment.

As for Richardson, I don't care if he's "good" against the run. All we need him to do is hold his spot and occupy his blocker and let our exceptional LB Corps do their jobs.

No I'm not. It is a known fact that he was not good against the run. You want two slim DT's playing and not a DT that can take on the double team? I'm trying to be level headed here, while you tell me i'm talking out of my ass. Dwan is great for what he is. a 31, 32 year old defensive tackle. But we need a big body like Ron. Being a big bodied DT that can also pass rush is a luxury. That is why Star is so highly valued. We can't have Richardson and Dwan as our DT's. They will get pushed around. I'm not talking out of my ass. This is basic football 101.

[koolkatluke]

First rounders play KR/PR pretty often, especially when they've excelled at it before.

You're not spending the pick on a return guy, it's an added bonus. He's a legit receiver who is a bonafide playmaker. He has great size, speed, agility, etc. He, like many, needs to work on technique but to be rated this highly after just one year of NCAA ball says something about his potential.

That's your problem Jack he's not legit. Every Breakdown says he's raw. And now people are saying he might have trouble learning a Playbook.

How many special team plays was Luke in last year?

[Jackofalltrades]

No I'm not. It is a known fact that he was not good against the run. You want two slim DT's playing and not a DT that can take on the double team? I'm trying to be level headed hear while you tell me i'm talking out of my ass. Dwan is great for what he is. a 31, 32 year old defensive tackle. But we need a big body like Ron. Being a big bodied DT that can also pass rush is a luxury. That is why Star is so highly valued. We can't have Richardson and Dwan as our DT's. They will get pushed around. I'm not talking out of my ass. This is basic football 101.

It was Dwan that took on most of the double teams and still held the point, not Ron. Please, go back and rewatch the games, I already have. You'll see that you're completely wrong.

Also, if you were really as astute at football as you think you are you'd realize size is only a part of the equation. There are a lot of big bodies out there that get knocked around while some of the smaller guys do their jobs. You'd also know that there are different techniques that are employed and there are different ways to use DT's, they're not all the same.

If you have weak LB's and you depend on a NT/UT combo as your base then you're probably right, but if you want to play a gap control D like we do a lot of size isn't that big of a factor.

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