Bucky Brooks' latest mock (has us passing on Patterson). Hmmph.

[koolkatluke]

1. Who said that Hunter doesn't? The fact still remains that the preponderance of the experts rank Patterson higher. Patterson is bigger, tougher, stronger and more physical. He is also a better runner, particularly in the open field, and has greater vision than the other two. He is also an effective KR.

2. Not really. What matters is what they are going to do at the pro level against pro competition.

3. According to the scouting reports, all three of them have work to do to become proficient NFL WRs. All three of them could stand to run better routes, and have to learn to become polished, so this is a non-issue.

4. Also a non-issue. If Patterson had had more time in the SEC, then he is likely to have had the unofficial title of WR1. Some team's 2s project to be better pros than another team's 1s. All the time. In the case of Patterson and Hopkins, they have somehow eclipsed their own 1s in the minds of most scouts.

The fact is KKL, that the decision is going to come down to what the pros think, not members of football forums. Like I have always said, I just think due diligence is in order. At this point it is too early to reject Patterson or any WR out of hand for our pick, or any other team's pick. So this is not really about CP, per se, but of course he is widely regarded as the top professional prospect in the draft at the WR position. But, of course if Lotuleile is there I think we'll pick him if we think his ticker is OK, so all I can do is hope that a WR destined for greatness is there in round 2 (or lower).

1.Actually now espn has Hunter rated Higher.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/rankings?year=2013

And all that better runner in open field doesn't matter if he can't catch the ball cleanly. And I don't care about a KR at 14. I want a WR.

2. So the fact the guy was highly productive in college (like a certain DROY MLB) doesn't matter.

What a really stupid statement. You don't know what any of them will do at the pro level. But what we do know is Hopkins went against some of the best CB in this draft and crush them. I don't care what you say 83 rec. 1405 yards and 18TD is impressive.

3. They all do just some more then others is the point that you missing here.

4. You got a point "if" he had more time to this or that maybe this would have happen. The problem with that is it's not reality it didn't happen. Reality is Hunter was the number 1 WR at UT and Hopkins was the number 1 WR at Clemson. So they both have experience at being the main target and the focus of rival defenses. Patterson doesn't. So both have a leg up on this aspect then Patterson does. It's just plain logic.

Top Dog like I and others have said what ever choice the panthers make as a organization is fine with me. But I have my opinion like others on here. That Patterson is a boom or bust prospect not worth taking with the 14th pick. No matter how some of you try to spin it.

[top dawg]

1.Actually now espn has Hunter rated Higher.

http://insider.espn....kings?year=2013

And all that better runner in open field doesn't matter if he can't catch the ball cleanly. And I don't care about a KR at 14. I want a WR.

2. So the fact the guy was highly productive in college (like a certain DROY MLB) doesn't matter.

What a really stupid statement. You don't know what any of them will do at the pro level. But what we do know is Hopkins went against some of the best CB in this draft and crush them. I don't care what you say 83 rec. 1405 yards and 18TD is impressive.

3. They all do just some more then others is the point that you missing here.

4. You got a point "if" he had more time to this or that maybe this would have happen. The problem with that is it's not reality it didn't happen. Reality is Hunter was the number 1 WR at UT and Hopkins was the number 1 WR at Clemson. So they both have experience at being the main target and the focus of rival defenses. Patterson doesn't. So both have a leg up on this aspect then Patterson does. It's just plain logic.

Top Dog like I and others have said what ever choice the panthers make as a organization is fine with me. But I have my opinion like others on here. That Patterson is a boom or bust prospect not worth taking with the 14th pick. No matter how some of you try to spin it.

1.Regarding the fact that ESPN has Hunter rated higher doesn't discount that most other scouts has CP rated higher. Regardless, CP is still in the conversation hands down. I don't care if you appreciate his KR skills or not. It's just a plus in his column as compared to the others.

2. The stupid statement is you trying to put words in my mouth, and still doesn't discount the fact that what they do at a pro level is what ultimately matters (and what they are projected to do/become by GMs, scouts and other experts determines their draft stock). You speak as though player coming out of junior college to the SEC, and then lead the SEC in all purpose yards the one year that he plays in the best conference in college football doesn't mean anything. We're not comparing gold to trash here.

3. I haven't missed any point. Some players have these shortcomings, and some those. The fact is that when you are evaluating a player you not only look at that, but you also look at a player's ceiling---his upside. Ultimately I will leave that up to the professionals to determine.

4. Speaking of logic, it would be logical to assume that a WR1 on a college team would be rated higher in the draft than a WR2 on the same team. Then why do you think so many professionals have CP rated higher than Hunter? I guess their pulling poo out of their ass, or either they know some things that you and I don't.

I ain't really trying to spin anything, KKL. I am just looking at the facts. The facts are, as I have stated before somewhere within the last week, is that though all the WRs may be true second round picks in most other drafts, depending on needs (and what is done in FA) we may want to think hard about pulling the trigger on CP (or some other WR) at 14. Furthermore, it seems like it is sticking in your craw that most of the experts are rating CP as the best WR in this draft class, and that others are logically taking the experts' opinions into account. Lastly, I have heard people refer to CP as raw and unpolished, but very few have labeled him a boom or bust type of player (and mainly message boarders).

Evan Silva, a senoir editor at rotoworld said (read the whole evaluation):

If Cordarrelle Patterson is a boom-or-bust pick in April's draft, write me down as predicting a smashing boom.

Matt Johnson (basically a lowly writer) of the Pigskin Report did refer to Patterson as a boom or bust type player, but in his conclusion he also said:

If you told me I could have any skill-position player in this class, I would take Cordarrelle Patterson every time. He may be the most unpolished WR in this class, but his combination of size and speed make him one of the rare commodities that rarely come around. Both Patterson and NFL coaches would have to be willing to putting in a lot of extra work, but the work would be far outweighed by the rewards. There is no doubt in my mind Cordarrelle Patterson is worthy of a Top 10 pick and should have an immediate impact as a rookie.

I have seen a couple of places where Hunter is referred to as a boom or bust project also. Moreover, I didn't realize he had an injury history which gives pause to his prospects as well.

At the end of the day we are probably not going to draft a WR with the 14th pick because that hasn't been our way, so you should be very happy. Next year, when we have a 20 something pick, you can argue against drafting a WR at all costs also, as this seems to be your yearly M.O. Perhaps you'll change your tune when, no, after, 89 hangs up his cleats

[DaCityKats]

for everyone claiming we dont need a WR, do yall think the Lions need one? because they believe they need more weapons.

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/lions-insider/article-1/Justin-Hunter-visits-the-Detroit-Lions-facility/534bba2c-c90d-48fc-8e44-f65d570f1bd6

[Happy Panther]

for everyone claiming we dont need a WR, do yall think the Lions need one? because they believe they need more weapons.

http://www.detroitli...44-f65d570f1bd6

Lions love having top receivers. They drafted a WR 4 out of 5 years I think. Didn't help them win.

[CRA]

I also don't think it's a smart Idea to make our top 15 1st round pick our primary returner. How smart is it to put him in danger of taking a kill shot from a 3rd string LB or DB trying to make a name for himself and get on the highlight reel.

PP, Dez, etc did it

[DaCityKats]

Lions love having top receivers. They drafted a WR 4 out of 5 years I think. Didn't help them win.

the point of that was to show how teams are not content with having one WR threat on their team, and they have the best WR in the game in his prime. Ravens, Packers, Giants also believe in that same idea.

[BigBeezy]

Whether it be at TE or WR, we need more receiving threats on offense. The WR and/or TE positions need to be addressed this offseason. Are the answers on our rosters? Maybe, but bringing in more competition can never hurt. The cream will eventually rise to the top.

I like Patterson but he needs time to develop. I could see him playing the 3rd WR/return specialist role a good portion of his first season.

I wouldn't be completely shocked if we passed on Patterson at 14 as Brook suggested, especially considering our needs and the players still left on the board.

[Happy Panther]

the point of that was to show how teams are not content with having one WR threat on their team, and they have the best WR in the game in his prime. Ravens, Packers, Giants also believe in that same idea.

I agree we need another WR

[BigBeezy]

Food for thought: a strong argument can be made that Patterson would've been the 3rd best WR on his own team had Da'Rick Rogers not been dismissed from Tennessee...just sayin'.

[koolkatluke]

the point of that was to show how teams are not content with having one WR threat on their team, and they have the best WR in the game in his prime. Ravens, Packers, Giants also believe in that same idea.

Why is this idea that we only have 1 receiving threat so prevalent in this fan base? Does Olsen and the RB's not count as receiving threat?

[TheRumGone]

Why is this idea that we only have 1 receiving threat so prevalent in this fan base? Does Olsen and the RB's not count as receiving threat?

There is a HUGE difference between Greg Olsen/RB's and having another #1/#2 receiver.

[JawnyBlaze]

Why is this idea that we only have 1 receiving threat so prevalent in this fan base? Does Olsen and the RB's not count as receiving threat?

Makes Cam look all the more amazing, having good passing stats with only 1 receiving threat. Especially when that sole receiving threat only accounted for less than a third of Cam's passing yards and just over a fifth of his passing TDs.

[koolkatluke]

There is a HUGE difference between Greg Olsen/RB's and having another #1/#2 receiver.

What is the difference? I didn't think everybody had to have the same model to build a good offense.

Again San Fran went to the superbowl and which of their #2 WR had better numbers then Lafell?

[koolkatluke]

Makes Cam look all the more amazing, having good passing stats with only 1 receiving threat. Especially when that sole receiving threat only accounted for less than a third of Cam's passing yards and just over a fifth of his passing TDs.

Which brings me to another point. Is Cam the type of QB who can make any WR look good? If Cam has better Blocking and a Better understanding of the offense can he make less talented WR elite?

Example Brady.