How about cutting Beason instead of Willliams.

[CRA]

Who said any of this was ideal. We are in cap hell and trying to dig out. But it is necessary given the structure of these contracts. We know it why don't you? Stop living in the past and join the rest of us in 2013.

Pretty sure you thought paying both these two RBs was the right call....

Considering we argued that over and over and there are hundreds of post showing such...

So now you think we shouldn't of paid both to those deals? Is that you admitting you weren't right about something?

[CRA]

He said we could handle the cap right now and said when asked if he was going to be here said why not? We speculate he will be restructured and I hope he is but everything suggests he will be here. Nothing suggests if he doesn't take a paucity he is gone. You are the only saying that......

Plenty suggests it....which again, is why everyone outside Carolina says he will be cut.

You just ignore the info, situation, why the new GM is here, etc everyone else is looking at when speculating.

[panthers55]

Pretty sure you thought paying both these two RBs was the right call....

Considering we argued that over and over and there are hundreds of post showing such...

So now you think we shouldn't of paid both to those deals? Is that you admitting you weren't right about something?

I said we could sign both and that Williams never will see all his deal. Then again I didn't think Williams would stay so productive given the limited carries and that Stewart would underperform. If rhey were being used appropriately the contracts would be so out of whack. BTW I never said the way they were structured were a good idea. Williams needs more work because explosive backs need the carries not ess.l

[CRA]

I said we could sign both and that Williams never will see all his deal. Then again I didn't think Williams would stay so productive given the limited carries and that Stewart would underperform. If rhey were being used appropriately the contracts would be so out of whack. BTW I never said the way they were structured were a good idea. Williams needs more work because explosive backs need the carries not ess.l

Williams wasn't very productive this year....people tend to look at game 16 and forget the guy who played 1-15. Game 16 against the worst D in the history of the sport distorted his final stats

There is no possible means to use them appropriately....there contracts mean they should be 20-25 rushes a game RBs. Passing league, we have a QB now (who is the biggest running mismatch in the league) and Tolbert is a better short yardage runner than either

[rodeo]

Plenty suggests it....which again, is why everyone outside Carolina says he will be cut.

"Everyone outside of Carolina" said he would be a Dolphin years ago instead of re-signing here.

Media from outside markets tend to predict our players leave just based on them not caring about Carolina.

[rodeo]

Williams wasn't very productive this year....people tend to look at game 16 and forget the guy who played 1-15. Game 16 against the worst D in the history of the sport distorted his final stats

There is no possible means to use them appropriately....there contracts mean they should be 20-25 rushes a game RBs. Passing league, we have a QB now (who is the biggest running mismatch in the league) and Tolbert is a better short yardage runner than either

lol you gave the same "It's just one game" excuse like 6 games in a row last year.

[CRA]

lol you gave the same "It's just one game" excuse like 6 games in a row last year.

No I didn't....15 games into the season he averaged 3.3 yards per carry. Went down at contact all year.

One game, the 16th, and people ignore he is simply just a good RB now. He isn't the 2008 guy anymore....which is why Rivera demotes him every year

[panthers55]

Williams wasn't very productive this year....people tend to look at game 16 and forget the guy who played 1-15. Game 16 against the worst D in the history of the sport distorted his final stats

There is no possible means to use them appropriately....there contracts mean they should be 20-25 rushes a game RBs. Passing league, we have a QB now (who is the biggest running mismatch in the league) and Tolbert is a better short yardage runner than either

The running game wasn't productive until we switched schemes and WIlliams took off.

The whole this is a passing league is overdone. Everyone thinks for example that New England throws the ball all the time but they don't. In 2012 they ran the ball more than we did to the tune of 523 times. That was compared to 641 passing attempts. Hardly a huge difference dictating a proclamation that rushing isn't important or that we don't need quality running backs.

Then look at Washington who passed the ball 442 attempts and ran it 519 times. Wow a team who made the playoffs that ran the ball more than they passed. How can that be in a passing league??? Like I said the whole this is a passing league is overblown in the media and trumpeted by fans like you with an agenda.

BTW: how did we do?? We passed it 490 times and ran it 460 times. Roughly equal. In 2005 under run it all the time Fox we ran it 487 times and passed it 449 times. Roughly equal. It should have been a huge difference since this is a passing league now.......

[SCP]

I'm rewatching the first Taints game from last season right now. Beason played like a hot turd.

[Kevin Greene]

lol you gave the same "It's just one game" excuse like 6 games in a row last year.

What's really funny here is Jonathon Stewart averaged 3.6 YPC this year.

He sucked.

He has a bigger contract with more guaranteed money on it than DWill does.

That being said this is this thread:

[CRA]

The running game wasn't productive until we switched schemes and WIlliams took off.

The whole this is a passing league is overdone. Everyone thinks for example that New England throws the ball all the time but they don't. In 2012 they ran the ball more than we did to the tune of 523 times. That was compared to 641 passing attempts. Hardly a huge difference dictating a proclamation that rushing isn't important or that we don't need quality running backs.

Then look at Washington who passed the ball 442 attempts and ran it 519 times. Wow a team who made the playoffs that ran the ball more than they passed. How can that be in a passing league??? Like I said the whole this is a passing league is overblown in the media and trumpeted by fans like you with an agenda.

BTW: how did we do?? We passed it 490 times and ran it 460 times. Roughly equal. In 2005 under run it all the time Fox we ran it 487 times and passed it 449 times. Roughly equal. It should have been a huge difference since this is a passing league now.......

He never took off.....last game against the worst D in history greatly distorted his stats.

Passing thing isn't overblown....numbers fully support the trend league wide.

How did we do? Our RBs/FBs rushed a mere 320 times....with record low production in Carolina. Yeah, lets keep dumping league high money at franchise low production.

[CRA]

What's really funny here is Jonathon Stewart averaged 3.6 YPC this year.

He sucked.

He has a bigger contract with more guaranteed money on it than DWill does.

That being said this is this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnDT1sENhLY

He was hurt....

and if it wasn't for the 16th game of the season....he would have averaged better yards per carry than Williams. I mean, if we can play the worst D in the history of the NFL each week....Williams may be worth it

[CRA]

Double Trouble since we extended them

2012- 1,077 rush yards, 9 TDs

2011 - 1,597 rush yards, 11 TDs

Cost? 2763 billion dollars

Combined, they barely produce like one highly paid RB....but yeah, lets keep the band together. Money well spent. But things will be different in 2013...bc....well, they just will. I realize Cam and Tolbert were more productive overall in 2012 but why give Tolbert carries when he is the best redzone runner in 2013 and Newton who is arguably the biggest running mismatch in NFL history carries either.

[panthers55]

He never took off.....last game against the worst D in history greatly distorted his stats.

Passing thing isn't overblown....numbers fully support the trend league wide.

How did we do? Our RBs/FBs rushed a mere 320 times....with record low production in Carolina. Yeah, lets keep dumping league high money at franchise low production.

First of all, what we did this year particularly early is not what we will do next year. What did Shula say? We would run more using a power running game. Gee who would that include?? More runs by Newton or perhaps more by Williams and Stewart if he comes back 100%. I love how you spin info to fit your distorted view of things. We ran the ball about the same as usual as I showed you. The fact Newton ran as much as he did won't happen according to Gettleman much to your chagrin.

As for passing stats, I just showed you that we ran and threw about the same amount as we did in 2005 when we supposedly were a running team. What else matters? What New Orleans did??