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WR's drafted by the Panthers since 2002 - the case to draft a WR in round 1?


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Then you're changing the argument. Smitty made a "impact" his 1st year. I thought we were talking about reaching what you drafted him for. Jennings was drafted to be a number 1 wr he didn't their until his third year. I'm pretty sure Moss was the number 1 wr his 1st year in Minny. If we're going go by just making a impact then of course WR can do that in their 2nd year. Has Lafell not made a impact then?

no.I'm arguing the same thing i have been all along...that you dont have to wait 3 years for them to "develop" and that they can make an impact quickly being and I'm talking a significant impact....and no. lafell has not made that much of an impact. he has been painfully average and that is being generous. he hasn't been what i would consider a solid producer. he's been moose lite and i don't think that there's much more to him or lafell or gettis or murphy. adams is the only one that has peaked my interest at all and i don't have much faith in bim amounting to much either. aside from smith, there are no real playmakers in this WR corps and thats what we need.

we dont need to and shouldn't have to wait 3 or 4 years to see if someone can step up as needed, esp. if smitty goes down or retires. we should be addressing it now. fortunately we have a GM that is more interested in getting those TD scorers and comes from a background that doesn't piss around waiting to see if one of those guys on their WR corps can step up eventually given enough years in the system and realizes just how necessary it is to keep on trying to improve that core.

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no.I'm arguing the same thing i have been all along...that you dont have to wait 3 years for them to "develop" and that they can make an impact quickly being and I'm talking a significant impact....and no. lafell has not made that much of an impact. he has been painfully average and that is being generous. he hasn't been what i would consider a solid producer. he's been moose lite and i don't think that there's much more to him or lafell or gettis or murphy. adams is the only one that has peaked my interest at all and i don't have much faith in bim amounting to much either. aside from smith, there are no real playmakers in this WR corps and thats what we need.

we dont need to and shouldn't have to wait 3 or 4 years to see if someone can step up as needed, esp. if smitty goes down or retires. we should be addressing it now. fortunately we have a GM that is more interested in getting those TD scorers and comes from a background that doesn't piss around waiting to see if one of those guys on their WR corps can step up eventually given enough years in the system and realizes just how necessary it is to keep on trying to improve that core.

I'm going to play your game and use different position to make a point.

We did with CJ, Hardy, and James Anderson. And by your standards we would have thought DWill was just a scat back Looking at his 1st 2 years.

And you refuse to look at the Offense and not the player. I ask you again what #2 WR in a option Offense is putting up great numbers? If we would have started out running a more traditional Offense what would Lafell numbers and Impact be? Lets also not forget his down field blocking or is that not considered a impact trait?

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And you refuse to look at the Offense and not the player.

uh...what?? I think you meant you refuse to look at the offense as a whole but just the player? I understand what you mean about not being able to utilize Lafell as well because of the heavy read option formation. But personally I hope we go far away from that and just use it 3-5 times a game. I don't think Lafell is as bad as a lot of people make him out to be. But we have no #1 after Smitty. We are screwed if he goes down. We HAVE to draft somebody that can fill that. We have waited to long. Patterson can fill that void and he is the best available, but we could go down that crapshoot again with a billion different posts

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uh...what?? I think you meant you refuse to look at the offense as a whole but just the player? I understand what you mean about not being able to utilize Lafell as well because of the heavy read option formation. But personally I hope we go far away from that and just use it 3-5 times a game. I don't think Lafell is as bad as a lot of people make him out to be. But we have no #1 after Smitty. We are screwed if he goes down. We HAVE to draft somebody that can fill that. We have waited to long. Patterson can fill that void and he is the best available, but we could go down that crapshoot again with a billion different posts

Maybe in 2 or 3 years but not from day 1. There is no WR in this draft that can replace Smith day 1. If Smith gets hurt we're fuged regardless if we draft a WR in the 1st 2 rounds.

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Maybe in 2 or 3 years but not from day 1. There is no WR in this draft that can replace Smith day 1. If Smith gets hurt we're fuged regardless if we draft a WR in the 1st 2 rounds.

THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT. Don't we wanna take care of this now? With someone who has a lot of talent. Do we just bank on later drafts. Julio's and A.J. Greens and Megatrons are rare.

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THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT. Don't we wanna take care of this now? With someone who has a lot of talent. Do we just bank on later drafts. Julio's and A.J. Greens and Megatrons are rare.

Yeah but look at the roster and ask yourself this. Who do you have more confidence in?

A CB group without Gamble and Capt.

A Dt group without both the Edwards Boys.

Or the WR group that has depth just not proven stars.

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CB group i have confidence with a one year signing, with our Dline applying pressure

Dt group with a one year signing. We can get a DT if the chips fall where they may

WR.....no we need to give Cam weapons...it is not fair that the best player on our team doesn't have playmakers to help him

You should have put Oline in there

Honestly i want us to go O line in first WR in second

Or WR first DT in second, sign vet Oline.

That is the best scenario for me. I wanted a dominant defensive player in the first initially, but fug it we gotta help Cam. We put to much of a burden on him as it is. We have to help this kid. We have to.

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CB group i have confidence with a one year signing

Dt group with a one year signing. We can get a DT in second round

WR.....no we need to give Cam weapons...it is not fair that the best player on our team doesn't have playmakers to help him

You should have put Oline in there

Honestly i want us to go O line in first WR in second

Or WR first DT in second, sign vet Oline.

That is the best scenario for me. I wanted a dominant defensive player in the first initially, but fug it we gotta help Cam. We put to much of a burden on him as it is.

What one year signing on DT CB and don't forget FS? And I actual feel if we can get a solid RG in FA our Oline will be better.

But Again I have more Faith in Lafell and group then I do in Norman,Thomas, Dockery,Hixson, Ness, Fua, Krease, Chandler and Cole. These are the guys at DT and CB on the roster with a contract who are not in danger until TC of getting cut.

This is where we differ in Opinion.

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What one year signing on DT CB and don't forget FS? And I actual feel if we can get a solid RG in FA our Oline will be better.

But Again I have more Faith in Lafell and group then I do in Norman,Thomas, Dockery,Hixson, Ness, Fua, Krease, Chandler and Cole. These are the guys at DT and CB on the roster with a contract who are not in danger until TC of getting cut.

This is where we differ in Opinion.

Yea i value any dissenting opinion. even if i completely disagree with it and remark on it. It helps me gather a more informed opinion. At this point in time i think we need to upgrade WR for the benefit of Cam. I think that will help the team more than DT CB and FS. but who knows what tomorrow will bring. I may give you poo for your opinon, but I do appreciate it.

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I want a playmaker with my first pick. A guy who can make plays from the moment he steps on the field. If that guy is a WR, so be it.

I don't care what position my first two picks play. As long as they come in and make plays, we are better. WR, DB, and maybe DT are the three areas I would concentrate my resourses. A disruptive DT to go along with CJ, Hardy, and Alexander would be fantastic at rushing the passer. An electric WR capable of finding the endzone would up the excitement level as well. Or a ballhawking DB with a nose for the ball, that would be worth the price of admission. So yeah, I could see any of those three making an immediate impact.

As to everything else? Who knows. I truly believe that RG and TE will be upgraded through FA. Other than that, all i know is, I plan on my imagination running rampant with speculations. This is going to be an offseason for the ages. And it couldn't have come at a better time for Gettlemen and Rivera.

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