Rivera talks minority hiring and Cam Newton (Florio criticizes)

[TheRumGone]

Forgive me, but I think I will take the word of people who study this stuff for a living over yours. If you happen to be a genetic scientist, then I apologize.

One issue with your assertion is that the haplo group you mentioned is only one slice of the genetic pie and leaves a lot out. There are other factors besides paternal lineage. For all we know, Tut or Ramses grandma might have been Hittite or Greek or Persian or some other race as a arranged marriage from another king looking for trade considerations or an alliance.

And then of course, there is this article

Fwiw, Igenea doesn't publish its methodology and they make money selling dna results, so the article is somewhat dubious, but interesting nonetheless.

And as floppin alluded to, the family of the pharoah might not represent the population of ancient Egypt at large, so dna results from Tut or Ramses might not give us a good indication of the cultural makeup of ancient Egypt.

I was just talking in the grand scheme of things...We all came from Africa and spread elsewhere, which i thought related to skin color being a location thing so its just pointless. This is like the 10th time a thread has turned into an anthropological debate. I try to stay clear, but this kid was annoying me more for some reason. He is taking a militant position, which of course is beyond ridiculous going from what this thread was about, a coach talking about labeling Cam a "black" quarterback to the discusion of Tut and Ramses.

Just ignore this guy, nothing productive can come from it.

[YourMomsLover]

I can't believe nobody has caught on to the fact that Blue Boy is KTs alt.

[Guest BlueBoy]

Well isn't this fun. It's almost like you know what you're talking about, except that you don't.

The E1b1a haplogroup is a primarily eastern/western African group. While certain lineages from within Egypt most certainly fall into this grouping, it is by far NOT the norm - neither modernly or historically. The genetic mingling is most likely explained by Bantu or similar migrations and not a direct historical lineage context.

Saying that King Tut was of a certain haplogroup does not prove that Egypt genetically derives from said grouping. It's both ignorant of the facts and completely wrong. He, and his family, are outliers and not the standard for comparison.

Ramses was the last major Pharaoh of Egypt. He does NOT represent a historical context. You're retarded.

"The E1b1a haplogroup is a primarily eastern/western African group. While certain lineages from within Egypt most certainly fall into this grouping, it is by far NOT the norm - neither modernly or historically. The genetic mingling is most likely explained by Bantu or similar migrations and not a direct historical lineage context."

I don't know what you're trying to say in that one. I think you're arguing my point for me. Yes, E1b1a is mostly western Africans and it's not that prevalent in modern day Egypt. E1b1b is most prevalent in modern egypt & horn africa. The point is Ancient Egyptian originated from a western african lineage/ancestry/haplogroup(E1b1a) in which Cam Newton is a member of. That's what geneticist have just revealed. You can disagree with them but I doubt anyone would care.

Yes, that would be stupid of me to say since King Tut is of a certain haplogroup means Ancient Egypt genetically derives from said group. But I mentioned the Amarma Mummies which constitutes of as many as 13 different mummies who belong to the same grouping. Also, if your haplogroup is E1b1a at 90 percentile, it means you originated in western africa. You can find that haplogroup at less than or equal 50% outside africa as a result of admixture. Not many people on this planet belong 100% to one haplogroup. Western Europeans who are R1b for the most part peak at 80%.

[rayzor]

I can't believe nobody has caught on to the fact that Blue Boy is KTs alt.

is it?

[YourMomsLover]

It's either him or his son lol

[Floppin]

The point is Ancient Egyptian originated from a western african lineage/ancestry/haplogroup(E1b1a) That's what geneticist have just revealed. You can disagree with them but I doubt anyone would care.

No they don't, and no they haven't.

The truth is that Egypt was one of the first true "melting pot" societies. There has been no proven "original" ancestry to Egypt. Historically, Egyptians carry genetics from sub-Saharan, to Persian and everything in between. There was neolithic expansion in both the Middle East and Africa that worked to comprise "Egypt". I don't know what fuging studies you're reading but it's not based on any sort of fact.

[Floppin]

Ancient Egypt was dominated by "herding" societies, more so than agricultural societies. This allowed for a large amount of genetic drift. Hence the genetic co-mingling.

[BigSyke]

oh we talking bout ancient eygpt now LOL FUNNIEST THREAD OF 2013. lol

[Guest BlueBoy]

Forgive me, but I think I will take the word of people who study this stuff for a living over yours. If you happen to be a genetic scientist, then I apologize.

One issue with your assertion is that the haplo group you mentioned is only one slice of the genetic pie and leaves a lot out. There are other factors besides paternal lineage. For all we know, Tut or Ramses grandma might have been Hittite or Greek or Persian or some other race as a arranged marriage from another king looking for trade considerations or an alliance.

And then of course, there is this article

Fwiw, Igenea doesn't publish its methodology and they make money selling dna results, so the article is somewhat dubious, but interesting nonetheless.

And as floppin alluded to, the family of the pharoah might not represent the population of ancient Egypt at large, so dna results from Tut or Ramses might not give us a good indication of the cultural makeup of ancient Egypt.

lol. Well, unfortunately DNA testing that are based on screen shots don't have much validity. Fast forward to 2012:

http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

The str they use is from published work by Hawass himself. Head of egyptian antiquity. Was published by the British Medical Journal:

http://www.academia.edu/2308336/Revisiting_the_harem_conspiracy_and_death_of_Ramesses_III_anthropological_forensic_radiological_and_genetic_study

In conclusion, Ramesses belongs to haplogroup E1b1a and loving it.

[Guest BlueBoy]

No they don't, and no they haven't.

The truth is that Egypt was one of the first true "melting pot" societies. There has been no proven "original" ancestry to Egypt. Historically, Egyptians carry genetics from sub-Saharan, to Persian and everything in between. There was neolithic expansion in both the Middle East and Africa that worked to comprise "Egypt". I don't know what fuging studies you're reading but it's not based on any sort of fact.

Well, DNA Tribes would disagree. Genetically the Amarma Mummies of Ancient Egypt and Ramesses III are of western african origin. Haplogroup E1b1a:

Ramesses results: http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

Amarna Mummies results: http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

The rest of the search is on you. just google: "Ramesses III E1b1a"

The results came out just about 2 months ago. How those information affect you will tell what kind of a person you are. For a white supremacist that's the worst news thus they resort to denial. Whether they deny it or not, this is as real as it gets. Deal with it.

[Guest BlueBoy]

No they don't, and no they haven't.

The truth is that Egypt was one of the first true "melting pot" societies. There has been no proven "original" ancestry to Egypt. Historically, Egyptians carry genetics from sub-Saharan, to Persian and everything in between. There was neolithic expansion in both the Middle East and Africa that worked to comprise "Egypt". I don't know what fuging studies you're reading but it's not based on any sort of fact.

Egypt was never a melting pot. At least no genetic research ever prove it was. There were always two egypt. Pre-arabic invasion where they were homogeneously black Africans and post-arabic invasions where the arabs mass murdered, enslaved, push the homogeneous black africans to take refuge outside egypt. Even to this day arabs hate those monuments because they believe they're against islamic practices. Ancient Egypt and Ancient Nubia had similar culture thus they got along quite well because they were similar people. Multiculturalism never work and never will.

[Floppin]

I already addressed Ramses III. He was the LAST major Pharaoh of Egypt and not a representative of historical "Egyptian Antiquity". Neither do a group of 13 mummies. You're attempts at confirmation bias are fuging staggering. I even linked you a study regarding the historical y-chromosome make-up for all of Northern Africa. This isn't a racist argument and I don't really understand how the historical racial lineage of Eqypt has fug all to do with "White Power"?

Egypt was nomadically settled during the neolithic era by both eastern african groups and middle eastern groups. There was no settled "civilization" of Africans that were forced out by a neolithic invasion of Persians. Prior to the Persian wars, during the Pharaohs, the population of Egypt already primarily encompassed their genetic makeup because they descended from their cattle herding ancestry - just as their was a minority genetic contingent of Eastern/Western African nomadic descent.

[rayzor]

i think there's more than one person posting under blueboys username.

[rayzor]

still wondering why this poo thread is still in this forum. are all the mods on vacation?