Da'rick Rogers

[carolina-chuck]

STRENGTHS

LaFell has the height and build of a starting NFL wide receiver. Has been a productive player. Has soft hands and flashes the ability to catch the ball away from his body. Is an athletic receiver. Exhibits the willingness to catch the ball in traffic over the middle. Is a competitive performer who is tough to take down after the catch and will go up and fight for the jump ball.

WEAKNESSES

LaFell possesses good top end speed but isn’t a true burner to consistently get deep at the next level. Suffers from lapses of concentration which lead to drops. Is not precise route-runner, is susceptible to press-coverage, and occasionally struggles to gain separation.

Rogers

STRENGTHS

Physical specimen with power and strength. Works very well over the middle, and is extremely difficult to bring down after the catch. Gets off the line well for a player of his size. Shows flexibility in adjusting to the football, making difficult catches, and getting out of his routes. Uses his body to shield defenders from making a play on the football. Smooth, with good body control when going up for the football. Strong hands allow him to grab low and wide passes adeptly. Physical run blocker when engaged, will sustain through the play.

WEAKNESSES

Off-field maturity and on-field effort have been issues. Stops his route at times if not the primary target. Body language on the field can be defeating. Lacks great explosiveness to run by corners, no extra gear. Will struggle to track the football at times. Not a very instinctual receiver, doesn't always run the routes he should, doesn't fight to get open when the play breaks down.

From NFL.COM, from what I have seen seems pretty accurate. If Rogers can get his maturity issue settled he could be better...but there are safer options since the WR spot is pretty deep in this draft.

Can you say the same about Dez Bryant????

STRENGTHS

Bryant has a really impressive combination of size and speed. Possesses the quickness and agility necessary to consistently gain separation as a route runner. Very good ball skills, catches the ball softly away from his body and is outstanding at high-pointing the jumpball and really fights for the football. Runs angry after the catch and is a load to bring down in the open field.

WEAKNESSES There are some questions surrounding Bryant’s maturity level. Does not always show a high level of effort away from the ball. Was able to get open with pure athleticism in college but needs to run more precise routes at the next level.

Yea so much for these analysis.

[carolina-chuck]

Not much difference in the breakdown. Only the maturity stuff from Rogers. So looking at this Drafting Rogers is like getting a immature Lafell.

Can you say the same about Dez Bryant????

STRENGTHS

Bryant has a really impressive combination of size and speed. Possesses the quickness and agility necessary to consistently gain separation as a route runner. Very good ball skills, catches the ball softly away from his body and is outstanding at high-pointing the jumpball and really fights for the football. Runs angry after the catch and is a load to bring down in the open field.

WEAKNESSES There are some questions surrounding Bryant’s maturity level. Does not always show a high level of effort away from the ball. Was able to get open with pure athleticism in college but needs to run more precise routes at the next level.

Yea so much for these analysis.

[koolkatluke]

Can you say the same about Dez Bryant????

STRENGTHS

Bryant has a really impressive combination of size and speed. Possesses the quickness and agility necessary to consistently gain separation as a route runner. Very good ball skills, catches the ball softly away

rom his body and is outstanding at high-pointing the jumpball and really fights for the football. Runs angry after the catch and is a load to bring down in the open field.

WEAKNESSES There are some questions surrounding Bryant’s maturity level. Does not always show a high level of effort away from the ball. Was able to get open with pure athleticism in college but needs to run more precise routesat the next level.

Yea so much for these analysis.

Can you not fuging read or is reading comprehension your problem? Bryant's breakdown is different from both Rogers and Lafell.

It uses the words speed hands and route running more in Bryant's breakdown as more of a positive then it does in Lafell or Rogers. Then the term consistent deep threat is not said about Rogers and Lafell. Anybody not a idiot reading all 3 breakdowns can see one is talking about a number 1 WR prospect and 2 possession #2 wr's prospects.

[carolina-chuck]

Can you not fuging read or is reading comprehension your problem? Bryant's breakdown is different from both Rogers and Lafell.

It uses the words speed hands and route running more in Bryant's breakdown as more of a positive then it does in Lafell or Rogers. Then the term consistent deep threat is not said about Rogers and Lafell. Anybody not a idiot reading all 3 breakdowns can see one is talking about a number 1 we prospect and 2 possession #2 wr's prospects.

Okay bud ok.

[jungleking]

Skye Philly wasn't running a option offense. When Vick ran it wasn't a designed running play it was a busted play where he took off. They ran a west coast offense. So the WR got a lot of targets and opportunities. Like I said in the read option or pistols offense there aren't a lot of targets for the 2# and 3rd WR. The stats this year prove it. No 2nd WR in Seattle, Washington,or San Fran had dominate numbers over Lafell. In fact in 2 less games Lafell may have better numbers then most of the option offense WR.

Vick ran the ball 100 times that year. You're telling me that there were 100 busted plays in his 13 games? That's ludicrous.

Also, your argument here is just weird. The read option doesn't present a ton of options for receivers, no. The teams you've listed (Carolina, Washington, Seattle, SF) all ranked 26th or lower in pass attempts. But you're conflating correlation and causation. All of those teams have weak talent at wide receiver, which probably led to them de-emphasizing the passing game.

Basically, if your argument is that LaFell is a satisfactory starting receiver, you're wrong. In his third year, with a good quarterback, he has yet to break 700 yards or catch even five touchdowns. He isn't terrible, he's just not good.

[jungleking]

Also, if you're looking for the physical difference between LaFell and Rogers, it's in their hips. Rogers jumps six inches higher, significantly farther, and does the cone drills and shuttle runs faster. Rogers, in short, is a more explosive athlete.

[Bwood]

The concern about Rogers isn't his talent, it's his character issues.

Does anyone know how his interviews went?

[jungleking]

This CNN article said pretty well.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130224/tyrann-mathieu-and-darick-rogers-address-media-to-try-and-improve-stock/

[koolkatluke]

Vick ran the ball 100 times that year. You're telling me that there were 100 busted plays in his 13 games? That's ludicrous.

Also, your argument here is just weird. The read option doesn't present a ton of options for receivers, no. The teams you've listed (Carolina, Washington, Seattle, SF) all ranked 26th or lower in pass attempts. But you're conflating correlation and causation. All of those teams have weak talent at wide receiver, which probably led to them de-emphasizing the passing game.

Basically, if your argument is that LaFell is a satisfactory starting receiver, you're wrong. In his third year, with a good quarterback, he has yet to break 700 yards or catch even five touchdowns. He isn't terrible, he's just not good.

So your telling me they ran a option offense in Philly and not the West Coast offense that "Andy Reid" is know for? So you tell me how many counters and dives and sweeps they ran for Vick then like they do in the read option?

Washington - S Moss, Garcon, Hankerson, josh Morgan Fred Davis. - You have a point.

Seattle - S rice, Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, Zach Miller - that's pretty good group of WR.

San Fran- Crabtree, R Moss, Manningham, Ginn Jr., AJ Jenkins, Vernon Davis, D walker - That's a really good. Group as well.

So you would be wrong about that.

That is my point and the fact he missed 2 games which he could have broke 5td and 700 yards. He was only 23 yards and 1td away. Let's also not forget in his 1st year he played with Clausen and his 2nd year he sat behind Leagudon't most of the year. So he hasn't really had 3 years to do anything. So again you would be wrong.

I thought you had enough of going against me on RC but I guess I was wrong.

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[koolkatluke]

Also, if you're looking for the physical difference between LaFell and Rogers, it's in their hips. Rogers jumps six inches higher, significantly farther, and does the cone drills and shuttle runs faster. Rogers, in short, is a more explosive athlete.

I look at film difference and there isn't any. Except Lafell was more elusive and more of a deep threat then Rogers.

[BigSyke]

come on man this dude has got at least a lil talent!!!!

[koolkatluke]

come on man this dude has got at least a lil talent!!!!

He does have talent but if we say that we have to say the same thing about Lafell because they have the same type Game.

Just because he's a new shiny toy people go crazy over him but if you take the time and look it's no different then the toy you already have.

[jungleking]

So your telling me they ran a option offense in Philly and not the West Coast offense that "Andy Reid" is know for? So you tell me how many counters and dives and sweeps they ran for Vick then like they do in the read option?

Washington - S Moss, Garcon, Hankerson, josh Morgan Fred Davis. - You have a point.

Seattle - S rice, Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, Zach Miller - that's pretty good group of WR.

San Fran- Crabtree, R Moss, Manningham, Ginn Jr., AJ Jenkins, Vernon Davis, D walker - That's a really good. Group as well.

So you would be wrong about that.

That is my point and the fact he missed 2 games which he could have broke 5td and 700 yards. He was only 23 yards and 1td away. Let's also not forget in his 1st year he played with Clausen and his 2nd year he sat behind Leagudon't most of the year. So he hasn't really had 3 years to do anything. So again you would be wrong.

I thought you had enough of going against me on RC but I guess I was wrong.

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San Francisco's group was "really good?" Manningham has had about 1000 yards in the last two seasons combined, Randy Moss was out of the league before this season, and Ginn got a single receiving yard this year. One yard, which is one more yard than AJ Jenkins got. That 'good group' contains one legitimately good receiver, a tight end, and an H-back.

In Seattle, Sidney Rice had the one great year with Favre and then not a lot after that. This is Tate's first year over 400 yards, and Doug Baldwin didn't even break that number this year. Zach Miller also failed to hit 400.

I'm not seeing anything that would make a coach want to throw the ball around.

If a player is of such a caliber that Legadu Naanee is taking playing time from them, do you really think there's no need to try and upgrade that position?

[jungleking]

I look at film difference and there isn't any. Except Lafell was more elusive and more of a deep threat then Rogers.

If you're not seeing that Rogers jumps higher and has better burst, I don't trust your ability to watch film. The numbers clearly show it.