Hurney, the worst contract negotiator of all time? Panthers in worse cap shape in 2014

[panther4life]

2-14(Hurney)

6-10(Hurney)

1-5(Hurney)

Sounds traumatic to me.

Yea I hear you, maybe if everyone keeps bitching about him and making ill informed threads we'll fire him and get a new gm..oh wait.

[jtnc]

I like how people are attacking me for putting the fault on Hurney, WHEN HE'S THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE fuging CONTRACTS THAT HAS US IN THIS PLACE.

[KillerKat]

Bottom line, Hurney was one of the worst GMs in the NFL of the 2000's. He put us in cap hell, he gave out terrible contracts, he always passed over free agents that would help the team tremendously, we only had 3 winning seasons out of 11 years. Pathetic. He is a big part of the loser mentality that surrounds the Panthers. He's gone and good riddance. People defending him are just showing how very little they are intact with reality. I believe in Gettleman though to pull us out of this mess and get us on track.

[panther4life]

I like how people are attacking me for putting the fault on Hurney, WHEN HE'S THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE fuging CONTRACTS THAT HAS US IN THIS PLACE.

It's not about Hurney being at fault, it's about the cap figures for 2014 having no relevance right now as I stated earlier.

[Gin and Juice]

I'm gonna try to finish typing this reply before someone comes in here and totally blast the poo out of you for making a silly assumption/mistake.

Cap hits are not = to players salaries. There is too many threads on here that help you understand that for me to type it up again. But what you just said is silly to put it nicely...

From reading your (very nice btw) post explaining the aspects of cap hits and players salaries I have come to the conclusion that unless a player accepts a pay cut then restructures/extentions are nothing more than immediate relief that is thrown onto the backside of a contract usually in the form of guaranteed/signing bonus!

I will admit that I am very interested in how a player can restructure and be given more guaranteed money while alleviating the cap hit both short and long term...........please explain to me how

[Floppin]

It's not about Hurney bring at fault, it's about the cap figures for 2014 having no relevance right now as I stated earlier.

Yeah, I tried to point that out as well.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

2-14(Hurney)

6-10(Hurney)

1-5(Hurney)

Sounds traumatic to me.

Haha, sweet. so your saying that 6-4 turnaround is entirely on Brandon Beane? That dude is amazing. I'm guessing a lot of people around here were bummed that he didn't get the job.

I'll end by saying it's amazing how people want to act like the cap figure, in TWO years, will be the end of the world. It's the NFL salary cap. You could literally sign every free agent you wanted to and not fug it up (see the Washington Redskins of the 2000's).

[CRA]

Hey morons. We will make moves this year that will dramatically affect our cap figures for next year. Our cap figures are not going to stay stagnant from this year going into next. Looking at our cap two years from now is the dumbest poo ever.

Um, the new GM isn't just going to look at the 2013 cap when making decisions. 2014 matters....

[Stroupe-a-loop]

From reading your (very nice btw) post explaining the aspects of cap hits and players salaries I have come to the conclusion that unless a player accepts a pay cut then restructures/extentions are nothing more than immediate relief that is thrown onto the backside of a contract usually in the form of guaranteed/signing bonus!

I will admit that I am very interested in how a player can restructure and be given more guaranteed money while alleviating the cap hit both short and long term...........please explain to me how

You have to look at it as cap figures vs. actual money which are not the same thing. The players want the actual money and the team wants the manageable cap figure. So if we straight up cut Deangelo, he would lose a lot of actual money and our cap figure wouldn't be any better really. So you go to him and say instead of cutting you, why don't you agree to a more team friendly contract and keep a much higher portion of the money. It's just that it normally works in both parties best interest to restructure.

There are more detailed explanations but I think that's a pretty good layman way of looking at it.

[Floppin]

Um, the new GM isn't just going to look at the 2013 cap when making decisions. 2014 matters....

Good job missing the point.

[DeeJay]

Not as bad as jerry jones......

Gettlemen 2014

[Floppin]

There will be roster/contract moves THIS year that will greatly affect our 2014 cap. We will more than likely cut/restructure a large amount of the people mentioned in the OP, THIS YEAR, which means that their cap implications for 2014 (with the exception of a few june 1st cuts) will be exactly zero. You guys are looking at these numbers under the assumption that a lot of that won't be fixed this year. Sure, some of our players cap figures will go up in 2014, but that's the nature of almost every player contract in the league. about 80% of all NFL contracts are back loaded. Looking at cap hits for players going into the last years of a contract TWO years from now, is an exercise in futility and borderline asinine.

[top dawg]

This thread is one of the more amusing threads that I have read in awhile. Good stuff, guys.

[Gin and Juice]

You have to look at it as cap figures vs. actual money which are not the same thing. The players want the actual money and the team wants the manageable cap figure. So if we straight up cut Deangelo, he would lose a lot of actual money and our cap figure wouldn't be any better really. So you go to him and say instead of cutting you, why don't you agree to a more team friendly contract and keep a much higher portion of the money. It's just that it normally works in both parties best interest to restructure.

There are more detailed explanations but I think that's a pretty good layman way of looking at it.

actual money=signing bonus? Correct? They are guaranteed that once they sign the contract! Everything else is based upon being on the team and /or performance. If we cut a player, then we are still charged his remaining signing bonus, how much is still determined by when we cut him, correct?

Using Dwill, if we cut him.......then we still owe him what's left of his signing bonus, but we are off the hook for base salary! So, then Dwill signs with another team and will be paid by that team while getting the remaining portion of his signing bonus here. Right?

Now, I would prefer to use Beason as an example. Someone explain how we could have him restructure without taking an actual/guaranteed and base salary cut while making his deal cap friendly?