Everything you need to know about our cap, potential cuts and free agents.

[Firefox]

Well, at least we aren't the only team in cap trouble....

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

10 Ravens account for $69M in 2013 cap space. And that doesn't acct for Flacco, Reed, Ellerbe, Kruger, Dickson, Pitta

Yeah, that's another one ($6.9 mil / player)

When Gettleman begins breaking down the numbers he'll find a Carolina team that has $63.25 million in salary cap space committed to six players — defensive end Charles Johnson ($13 million), Gross ($11.7 million), Gamble ($10.9 million), center Ryan Kalil ($9.95 million), Beason ($9.5 million), and Williams ($8.2 million).

($10.5 mil / player) - ouch !

Quarterback Cam Newton ($6 million), receiver Steve Smith ($5.75 million) and tight end Greg Olsen ($5.7 million) account for an additional $17.5 million in cap space.

So essentially two-thirds — or $80 million — of the team's salary cap is slated to go to nine players.

http://www.gastongaz...ary-cap-1.80085

[rayzor]

compensation of any kind has to be accounted for. JR flying Olsen's family up north for a medical emergency isn't something that people are going to make an issue of. paying for a players house would most definitely be something they pay attention to.

it's considered compensation and it most certainly would or should count against the salary cap. if it was something that skirted outside of it it could be reported to the league and that would seriously effect the team in big penalties.

[Firefox]

compensation of any kind has to be accounted for. JR flying Olsen's family up north for a medical emergency isn't something that people are going to make an issue of. paying for a players house would most definitely be something they pay attention to.

it's considered compensation and it most certainly would or should count against the salary cap. if it was something that skirted outside of it it could be reported to the league and that would seriously effect the team in big penalties.

Yeah, that is addressed like this:

ARTICLE 13 SALARY CAP ACCOUNTING RULES

(iv) Non-Cash Provisions.

(1) The fair market value of all non-cash provisions (e.g., automobiles, houses, insurance policies) shall be included in Team Salary during the year in which such provision is made. If the parties cannot agree on the fair market value of such provisions, such dispute will be submitted to the Impartial Arbitrator.

- from page 105

(5) Except as provided in Subsections 6(e)(iv)(2)–(4) above, and Article 7 (concerning Rookie Orientation Programs), if any money or tangible item of value is provided by any Club to any player (or his affiliate) not pursuant to this Agreement or a Player Contract, the value of the money or item shall immediately be included in Salary and the Team Salary of the Club making such provision.

- from page 106

[Marguide]

When Gettleman begins breaking down the numbers he'll find a Carolina team that has $63.25 million in salary cap space committed to six players — defensive end Charles Johnson ($13 million), Gross ($11.7 million), Gamble ($10.9 million), center Ryan Kalil ($9.95 million), Beason ($9.5 million), and Williams ($8.2 million).

It's even worse when you realize that only 2 of those players really earned that kind of money last year. While we got at least a few good games out of DWill, only CJ and Gross were solid contributors last year.

That is a huge problem.

[Mage]

You're not worth any more of my time trying to explain it to you. Remember you are the guy saying rookies aren't included in the salary cap. Do you also not see that practice squad players are?

Have fun learning the rules of the league.

I even said I probably was wrong on that, was merely a question because I thought it was the case due to the own rookie salary cap or whatever (instead I mistook it for the 51 rule). You are right, sure, you won the argument. Congratulations. But get off your high horse. I never once made that rookie statement come across as a fact. Merely a thought preceded by saying I'm not sure/might be wrong.

I apologize for not being 100% on everything like you are (because you've never gotten anything wrong, apparently), and am sorry I was misinformed.

[Mage]

compensation of any kind has to be accounted for. JR flying Olsen's family up north for a medical emergency isn't something that people are going to make an issue of.

Neither would paying for players gas.

[Montsta]

No one is going to say anything or make a stink of JR flying Olsen anywhere for his kids health because that would be a complete PR disaster.

[TheRumGone]

We're gonna have to bite the bullet and cut big name players. We need to wipe the slate clean for our future. That 80 million for 9 players is atrocious. We need to take care of it now, as much as we can, even if it is detrimental.

[The Golden Child]

We're gonna have to bite the bullet and cut big name players. We need to wipe the slate clean for our future. That 80 million for 9 players is atrocious. We need to take care of it now, as much as we can, even if it is detrimental.

Agree. This is what Jerry Richardson meant when he said the organization needed someone who could "fix things".

[SOJA]

great thread, good research

[carpantherfan84]

It is really gonna suck this coming year but if we want a perennial playoff caliber team, we are going to lose our "Core" players. Everyone knows this, I got it. But are we as fans really prepared to see Steve, and Gross go? These two individuals have been a big part of how we identify this team. I have been reading a lot of posts on here and we keep dancing around the fact that getting rid of our top 4 or 5 paid players would put us SIGNIFICANTLY below the cap. This means losing some big name people for this team and would likely mean having a horrible season. But maybe not. The colts went through a similar situation and came out smelling like roses. We have an opportunity here. Through trade and cuts we can get well under the cap. It would be painful to us to see either of these to go, but it might actually happen. Ask yourself do you want to stay in this cap mess we are in and still lose? And dont say that we cant afford to lose them. There is not one person on the roster who got us to the playoffs last year and it is highly unlikely that any of them will do so this coming year. That means that there are very few if any that are immune.

[TheMaulClaw]

I don't think we need to rush the gun cutting Jordan Gross now. We have to release Gamble, then we should let go of Ron Edwards and be under the cap by the March deadline. Then will have a little bit more time to look at restructures before June.

Gross needs to be restructured because he's still not replaceable, but we have Thomas, Munny, and Norman (who will be improved).

[The Golden Child]

I don't think we need to rush the gun cutting Jordan Gross now. We have to release Gamble, then we should let go of Ron Edwards and be under the cap by the March deadline. Then will have a little bit more time to look at restructures before June.

Gross needs to be restructured because he's still not replaceable, but we have Thomas, Munny, and Norman (who will be improved).

Agree w/you on Gross. The guy is no longer elite but he's still a good OT and a valuable member of the team.

[MadHatter]

I don't think we need to rush the gun cutting Jordan Gross now. We have to release Gamble, then we should let go of Ron Edwards and be under the cap by the March deadline. Then will have a little bit more time to look at restructures before June.

Gross needs to be restructured because he's still not replaceable, but we have Thomas, Munny, and Norman (who will be improved).

You have to be careful if the answer every year to cap issues is "restructuirng". All you are doing is pushing the current problem into future years....which is why we are in the cap hell right now.

I am not advocating that we cut Gross. But, it is a real possibility.