Everything you need to know about our cap, potential cuts and free agents.

[chknwing]

fuging pie hoarder

[Mage]

Money given to a player to pay for their gas or any money paid outside of a contract does not go against the salary cap.

[Ken]

Very nice thread. Will be interesting to see how many big names get cut/restructured.

[MemphisGambler]

The more I think about it, perhaps we will try to move DWill via trade prior to the draft. If we could find a partner, we would take a negative hit of $1.4 million this year and then he would be off our books for good. What kind of pick would make it worthwhile to have to deal with that kind of hit? 3rd round? 4th round?

If that is at all part of Gettleman's plan, we may have to get a bit more aggressive in March to allow us the freedom to do a draft day deal for Williams.

But yeah, in general I agree with your list as written.

Packers, Lions, Bengals, Chargers, Cards, Steelers and Colts could be interested.

[Firefox]

Money given to a player to pay for their gas or any money paid outside of a contract does not go against the salary cap.

Section 4.

Definition of "Salary":

(a) "Salary" means the compensation in money, property, investments, loans or anything else of value to which an NFL player (including Rookie and Veteran players and players whose contracts have been terminated) or his Player Affiliate is entitled in accordance with a Player Contract, but not including Benefits. Salary with respect to any period shall include all Salary actually payable with respect to such period under the terms of a Player Contract and all Salary attributable to such period under the terms of this Agreement

B- A player’s Salary shall also include any and all consideration received by the player or his Player Affiliate from a Club or Club Affiliate, even if such consideration is ostensibly paid to the player for services other than football playing services, if the NFL can demonstrate before the Impartial Arbitrator that the consideration paid to the player or Player Affiliate for such nonfootball services does not represent a reasonable approximation of the fair market value of such services as performed by such player. The Impartial Arbitrator’s determination may take into account, among other things: (1) any actual dollar amounts the player or Player Affiliate received for similar nonfootball playing services from an independent third party; and (2) the percentage of total com-pensation for nonfootball services received from third parties versus the Team or Team Affiliate.

Section 5.

Computation of Team Salary: During any League Year in which the Salary Cap is in effect, all of the following amounts shall be included every day in determining a Team’s Team Salary: 91

(a)

Player Contracts. Subject to the rules below in Section 6 of this Article, all amounts the Team has paid or is obligated to pay as set forth in all Player Contracts of current and former players covering a particular League Year, including exercised options, shall be included in Team Salary.

(

Tenders.

(i) Drafted Rookies’ Salaries shall be included in Team Salary automatically as of the day of the Draft at the Minimum Active List Salary until (1) the player is signed, (2) the Team’s rights are relinquished through waivers, or (3) the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).

(ii) For Exclusive Rights players, the Minimum Active List Salary will be included in Team Salary when tendered until the player is signed, or the Team’s rights are relinquished.

(iii) For players who are Restricted Free Agents, the Qualifying Offer will be included in Team Salary when tendered until the player is signed, the Qualifying Offer is withdrawn, or a "June 1 Tender" (if applicable) is made. If the player is unsigned and the Team makes a June 1 Tender (if applicable) or June 15 Tender, such Tender will be included until the player is signed, the Team’s rights are relinquished, or the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).

(iv) For players who are Unrestricted Free Agents, the June 1 Tender, if made, will be included in Team Salary as of July 15 and thereafter until the player is signed, the Tender is withdrawn, the Team’s rights are relinquished or extinguished, or the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).

(v) For Transition Players and Franchise Players, the tender will be included in Team Salary when made until the player is signed, the Tender is withdrawn, the Team’s rights are relinquished, or the Tuesday following the tenth game of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).

(vi) All Offer Sheets will be included in Team Salary when tendered until the player is signed to a Player Contract by any NFL Team, or the Offer Sheet is withdrawn.

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Practice Squad Contracts. Any Practice Squad contract Salaries shall be included in Team Salary except to the extent otherwise provided in Article 33, Section 5.

(d)

Termination Pay. Any type of Termination Pay liability will be included in Team Salary at the time the player is released, except to the extent the Team is relieved of any such liability.

(e)

Grievances. When a player salary grievance is filed against a Club, 40% of the amount claimed (or, for a player whose contract qualifies under Article 27, 40% of the player’s Salary Cap count, prorated to reflect the number of weeks remaining in the regular season) will be counted in Team Salary until the grievance is resolved or until the end of the League Year, whichever comes first; at the end of the League Year, if any grievances have been settled or awards have been made, if the net total grievance amounts paid by the Club are more than the original 40% attributions and put the Club over the Salary Cap, the excess will be deducted from the Club’s Team Salary in the following League Year; if the net total grievance amounts paid are less than the original 40% attributions and the Club finishes the season at the Salary Cap or below the Salary Cap by less than the amount of the unawarded attributions, the difference will be added to the Club’s Team Salary for the following League Year. If an award or settlement is 92

made for a grievance in a League Year after the grievance was filed, and the grievance amount paid is more than the original 40% attribution, the excess shall be included in Team Salary when paid; if the grievance amount is less than the original 40% attribution, the difference shall be deducted from Team Salary when the award is made.

(f)

Expansion Bonuses. Except as set forth in Article 32, any expansion bonuses paid to players shall be included in Team Salary.

(g)

Offseason Workouts. Beginning on the first day of the League Year, each Club’s Team Salary will be charged an amount that is calculated as follows: multiply the minimum daily amount set forth in Article 21, Section 3 ($155 for the 2011 League Year) by 2,880 (80 players × 4 days/week × 9 weeks = 2,880). At the conclusion of the program, this charge will be adjusted based upon the amounts actually paid to players who participated in the offseason program. At that time, the amount paid to each player will be charged to Salary and Team Salary, and the original charge set forth in the first sentence of this Subsection shall be removed from Team Salary. In addition to these amounts, any incentives in Player Contracts related to offseason workouts shall be in-cluded in Team Salary pursuant to Section 6©(iii) below.

(h)

Injury Protection. Beginning in the 2016 League Year, any type of In-jury Protection liability shall be included in Team Salary for the League Year for which such Injury Protection applies, or the League Year in which such Injury Protection is paid, agreed to be paid by settlement, or awarded, whichever is later.

(i)

Other Amounts. Any other Salary not listed above paid to players shall be included in Team Salary.

[top dawg]

Now this is helpful info. Thank God

It's probably the most informative thread on the cap as it relates to individual players in Huddle history.

[Mage]

Section 4.

Definition of "Salary":

(a) "Salary" means the compensation in money, property, investments, loans or anything else of value to which an NFL player (including Rookie and Veteran players and players whose contracts have been terminated) or his Player Affiliate is entitled in accordance with a Player Contract, but not including Benefits. Salary with respect to any period shall include all Salary actually payable with respect to such period under the terms of a Player Contract and all Salary attributable to such period under the terms of this Agreement

B- A player’s Salary shall also include any and all consideration received by the player or his Player Affiliate from a Club or Club Affiliate, even if such consideration is ostensibly paid to the player for services other than football playing services, if the NFL can demonstrate before the Impartial Arbitrator that the consideration paid to the player or Player Affiliate for such nonfootball services does not represent a reasonable approximation of the fair market value of such services as performed by such player. The Impartial Arbitrator’s determination may take into account, among other things: (1) any actual dollar amounts the player or Player Affiliate received for similar nonfootball playing services from an independent third party; and (2) the percentage of total com-pensation for nonfootball services received from third parties versus the Team or Team Affiliate.

Section 5.

Computation of Team Salary: During any League Year in which the Salary Cap is in effect, all of the following amounts shall be included every day in determining a Team’s Team Salary: 91

(a)

Player Contracts. Subject to the rules below in Section 6 of this Article, all amounts the Team has paid or is obligated to pay as set forth in all Player Contracts of current and former players covering a particular League Year, including exercised options, shall be included in Team Salary.

(

Tenders.

(i) Drafted Rookies’ Salaries shall be included in Team Salary automatically as of the day of the Draft at the Minimum Active List Salary until (1) the player is signed, (2) the Team’s rights are relinquished through waivers, or (3) the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).

(ii) For Exclusive Rights players, the Minimum Active List Salary will be included in Team Salary when tendered until the player is signed, or the Team’s rights are relinquished.

(iii) For players who are Restricted Free Agents, the Qualifying Offer will be included in Team Salary when tendered until the player is signed, the Qualifying Offer is withdrawn, or a "June 1 Tender" (if applicable) is made. If the player is unsigned and the Team makes a June 1 Tender (if applicable) or June 15 Tender, such Tender will be included until the player is signed, the Team’s rights are relinquished, or the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).

(iv) For players who are Unrestricted Free Agents, the June 1 Tender, if made, will be included in Team Salary as of July 15 and thereafter until the player is signed, the Tender is withdrawn, the Team’s rights are relinquished or extinguished, or the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).

(v) For Transition Players and Franchise Players, the tender will be included in Team Salary when made until the player is signed, the Tender is withdrawn, the Team’s rights are relinquished, or the Tuesday following the tenth game of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).

(vi) All Offer Sheets will be included in Team Salary when tendered until the player is signed to a Player Contract by any NFL Team, or the Offer Sheet is withdrawn.

©

Practice Squad Contracts. Any Practice Squad contract Salaries shall be included in Team Salary except to the extent otherwise provided in Article 33, Section 5.

(d)

Termination Pay. Any type of Termination Pay liability will be included in Team Salary at the time the player is released, except to the extent the Team is relieved of any such liability.

(e)

Grievances. When a player salary grievance is filed against a Club, 40% of the amount claimed (or, for a player whose contract qualifies under Article 27, 40% of the player’s Salary Cap count, prorated to reflect the number of weeks remaining in the regular season) will be counted in Team Salary until the grievance is resolved or until the end of the League Year, whichever comes first; at the end of the League Year, if any grievances have been settled or awards have been made, if the net total grievance amounts paid by the Club are more than the original 40% attributions and put the Club over the Salary Cap, the excess will be deducted from the Club’s Team Salary in the following League Year; if the net total grievance amounts paid are less than the original 40% attributions and the Club finishes the season at the Salary Cap or below the Salary Cap by less than the amount of the unawarded attributions, the difference will be added to the Club’s Team Salary for the following League Year. If an award or settlement is 92

made for a grievance in a League Year after the grievance was filed, and the grievance amount paid is more than the original 40% attribution, the excess shall be included in Team Salary when paid; if the grievance amount is less than the original 40% attribution, the difference shall be deducted from Team Salary when the award is made.

(f)

Expansion Bonuses. Except as set forth in Article 32, any expansion bonuses paid to players shall be included in Team Salary.

(g)

Offseason Workouts. Beginning on the first day of the League Year, each Club’s Team Salary will be charged an amount that is calculated as follows: multiply the minimum daily amount set forth in Article 21, Section 3 ($155 for the 2011 League Year) by 2,880 (80 players × 4 days/week × 9 weeks = 2,880). At the conclusion of the program, this charge will be adjusted based upon the amounts actually paid to players who participated in the offseason program. At that time, the amount paid to each player will be charged to Salary and Team Salary, and the original charge set forth in the first sentence of this Subsection shall be removed from Team Salary. In addition to these amounts, any incentives in Player Contracts related to offseason workouts shall be in-cluded in Team Salary pursuant to Section 6©(iii) below.

(h)

Injury Protection. Beginning in the 2016 League Year, any type of In-jury Protection liability shall be included in Team Salary for the League Year for which such Injury Protection applies, or the League Year in which such Injury Protection is paid, agreed to be paid by settlement, or awarded, whichever is later.

(i)

Other Amounts. Any other Salary not listed above paid to players shall be included in Team Salary.

That is all nice and all. But no, money paid outside of the contract agreed upon by the player and team does not go against the salary cap. Sure, you can count it as the players salary if you want. But it wouldn't go against the cap.

So, if Jerry Richardson paid Newton $3 million for a new house, it wouldn't go against the salary cap because it wasn't in the contract. It would just be Richardson paying his own money to Newton. If Jerry Jones paid $3 dollars to Romo to pay for gas, it would not go against the cap.

Which is why that isn't allowed or else every big market team would do that (pay more money than they are allowed) to pry players to them.

Though, re-reading your post, I hope you know I'm talking about the salary cap (which is what you said). Not a teams salary (how much the team is making). They aren't the same thing.

[Marguide]

That is all nice and all. But no, money paid outside of the contract agreed upon by the player and team does not go against the salary cap. Sure, you can count it as the players salary if you want. But it wouldn't go against the cap.

So, if Jerry Richardson paid Newton $3 million for a new house, it wouldn't go against the salary cap because it wasn't in the contract. It would just be Richardson paying his own money to Newton. If Jerry Jones paid $3 dollars to Romo to pay for gas, it would not go against the cap.

Which is why that isn't allowed or else every big market team would do that (pay more money than they are allowed) to pry players to them.

Though, re-reading your post, I hope you know I'm talking about the salary cap (which is what you said). Not a teams salary (how much the team is making). They aren't the same thing.

What you are describing above would be a definite violation of the cap. Not maybe. Definite.

If it was that easy to get around the cap, every club would be doing it.

[carpanfan96]

Each club has additional pools of money for those things. Example salary cap is 121.5, teams actually have around 20-30 million above that. That additional amount is used for various things such as retirement benfits among other things.

[Marguide]

Each club has additional pools of money for those things. Example salary cap is 121.5, teams actually have around 20-30 million above that. That additional amount is used for various things such as retirement benfits among other things.

Sure, you can add retirement benefits, moving expenses and things of that nature. But you couldn't buy a fuging house for a player in an attempt to subvert the cap. The key is whether or not the benefit is more or less universal for all NFL teams, or whether a team is trying to gain a competitive advantage by offering above and beyond what would be considered reasonable.

[mountainpantherfan2]

Everyone keeps forgetting that you only count the top 53 contracts during the offseason when determining the salary cap.

The Panthers have $136 million in contracts but only $131 million against the cap. That doesn't include the rollover from this year. At least I don't think it does. My calculations were that with the rollover the Panthers are at about $127 million.

And it is now being reported the cap will be closer to $121.5 million.

[rayzor]

What you are describing above would be a definite violation of the cap. Not maybe. Definite.

If it was that easy to get around the cap, every club would be doing it.

yep. there's no way that would be allowed. huge violation. the team would get into a poo ton of trouble. you can not give players anything beyond what is stated in the contract.

[CPF4LIFE]

If Gamble was such a sure cut, why havent they done it yet?

[Marguide]

Everyone keeps forgetting that you only count the top 53 contracts during the offseason when determining the salary cap.

It's 51 not 53.