Steve Smith knocks the read option...

[teeray]

I must be watching a different team than you. 95% of the time, there is a pause.

If we were running it right there shouldn't be a pause and it shouldn't affect when the RB hits the hole. This is an offense that has to adjust always.

Here is how Chip Kelly explains it:

Edit: Welp I was going to copy from a clinic paper that Kelly had on his offense but i will have to paraphrase because for some reason this site wouldn't let me do it.

Basically, he said that the coach needs to know when the RB is hitting the hole. If he is hitting the hole too late, the coaches need to move the RB up. If he is hitting the hole too early, you move the RB back further. He said you don't adjust the speed of the play to get the timing right you change your alignment.

It was a little more complex than that, but that was the gist of it.

If there is an issue with how long it is taking a RB to get to the hole the offensive coordinator is supposed to adjust his and possibly the QB's alignment. Move them closer to the O-line.

This offense is so complex and simple at the same time. But it requires very detailed adjustments to how you line up in the backfield and a faster pace to make sure the assignments are correct and to see how the defense is going to defend it.

We were slow getting out of the huddle and were not able to audible. Those are the two most important factors of running that kind of offense and we did neither.

As far as adjusting alignment of the QB and RB I don't know if Chud did made changes in that regard or not.

[Guest BlueBoy]

Newton played way better from under center.

Not sure anyone could argue that.

Kaep plays under center too. All I have to say is, if the pro style is working for the panthers and they're winning then all the power to them. But if they're losing with the pro-style only while Kaep, Wilson, RG3 are putting up 30 point per and heading to the playoffs, it's not gonna be good for the coaching staff.

[Gabeking]

Well, Kaep is part of the read option system. To run a read option you need a certain types of QB to run it thus resulting in defenses game planning for not only the option but also a scramble. You can't analyze the read option independently of Kaep's physical ability. It's because he is a read option QB that's why he is able to scramble. What the 9ers run is an offensive system. Once Kaep is removed from that system then a new system need to be created for the next QB.

The Panthers need an offensive system for Cam as well that includes the read options, the scrambles, the play actions, and everything else. Some offensive systems are more limited than others.

Maybe the reason Kaep was able to scramble was because the defense put to much effort in stopping the read options thus leaving open gaps in the defense. Food for thought, of course.

Aren't you the guy who said cam should be running out of the option 70% of the time??

[Marguide]

My thoughts at the late stage of this discussion:

1) Smitty is a great receiver. That said, I'm not ready to hire him as our OC.

2) We did, in fact, run the read option less toward the end of the year, and that seemed to help our offense. But in fairness there were other factors as well, including letting Cam audible, focusing on shorter pass patterns that allowed Cam to get rid of the ball quicker, and a greater overall commitment to the run game.

3) Early in the year, I often knew when it was pass or run by how close the RB was to the QB. Others have suggested we tipped off defenses by the stance of our o-linemen. Whatever the case, we were not disguising our read option runs very well, and that hurt it's effectiveness. Personally, I like the read option when it's not overused.

4) Cam's mechanics often seem better when he plays under center. Too often he threw flat-footed out of the gun. That is pertinent because the read option isn't run from under center, so we had fewer opportunities to call that play later in the year.

5) Since when do you have to be a current member of the Panthers to have a valid opinion? What tells you that Smitty is more of a student of the game than Trent Dilfer? Do great players dominate coaching ranks? So because Dilfer wasn't great or a Panther we should automatically discount his opinion?

I like it when we establish the other elements of our offense first then can keep them guessing with occasional r-o plays.

[Guest BlueBoy]

I hope every reciever on this team thinks this way...the rest is total BS.

I bet you even the receivers on the practice squad think this way. Even if means throwing to them 40 times per game so they can get their bonuses. There is a reason Smith moan and whine for the ball. His signing bonus. He knows his team was out of the playoffs. So showing up his young QB was unnecessary. Smith can go kick rocks. I'm a fan. I don't get signing bonus, I just want WINS.

[Guest BlueBoy]

Oh yeah, he's obviously been drama queen all his life right, Blue? he never shuts up about me me me. . psssh all those times he lays blocks down field are by accidentally tripping into people near the play.

Well, better receivers in the league does the same without complaining what type of offense they run. Smith had years of pro style offenses around him and they barely make the playoffs. Now that Cam is putting them on the map we don't need that old washed up receiver complaining about our offensive system.

[Mr. Scot]

If Smith doesn't shut up with his old ass he might find himself in the chopping block to clear up cap space. The only time I hear about Smith is when he is whining about something.

Pretty clear you don't follow the Panthers at all.

[Guest BlueBoy]

Again, how many points came off of the read option. I would like to know. I watched the game.

You really want me to entertain this question? So the read option has to score a specific number of points per game to be considered a success?

Since the RB is vital in the pro-style, how many points did the ravens score running the football?

[BigSyke]

Well, big foot helped the ravens in the redzone. You're not the only one entitled to imaginary claims. Lol

umm where is the wildcat???

alot of people said the long break would take ravens momentum......ravens came out in the second scored on the kickreturn... they were hotter than beyonce.....and 49ers got a lucky break. who cares they still aint win. no mater how close THEY DID NOT WIN. lol dropback guy wins again... sorry blueboy lol :lolu:

[Guest BlueBoy]

Aren't you the guy who said cam should be running out of the option 70% of the time??

Read option give, read option keep, read option pass. Why not? But it is possible that Cam is not very good at reading when to keep or give. That might play a factor. So you prefer 69%? Lol

[CRA]

You really want me to entertain this question? So the read option has to score a specific number of points per game to be considered a success?

Since the RB is vital in the pro-style, how many points did the ravens score running the football?

Read option lead to huge plays in the 2nd half during the comeback.....not sure where the logic is that bc they weren't the TD plays then they weren't effective. Several huge passes off the the read option.....a huge Gore run prior to the CK TD scramble.

[CRA]

Read option give, read option keep, read option pass. Why not? But it is possible that Cam is not very good at reading when to keep or give. That might play a factor. So you prefer 69%? Lol

Cam is good at it....his bread and butter. Chud isn't....Chud tried to make it his own to start the year. 2011 it was Cams's play and he even taught the guys to run it. Chud tried to build it into something bigger in 2012 and that is when things got messy

also, Williams isn't a read option RB. I would need two hands to count the number of times Cam tried to pull the option read away from Williams and he wouldn't give it up.

[tiger7_88]

If Smitty was the player receiving the ball in the read option, Smitty would think it was the best NFL innovation since sliced bread.

Smitty is Smitty.

[CRA]

If Smitty was the player receiving the ball in the read option, Smitty would think it was the best NFL innovation since sliced bread.

Smitty is Smitty.

Smitty probably thinks every gameplan should be like the 2008 AZ one...