Steve Smith knocks the read option...

[Guest BlueBoy]

Gashing? His highlights came after the lights came back on in the 3rd quarter. I would also say most of his "Gashing" came between the 20's.

I assume you mean a kick-off return.

Coincidentally he didn't start gashing the falcons until the third. Thus there is a pattern so you can't use the blackout as an excuse.

[Guest BlueBoy]

Kaepernick's Touchdown run was because Baltimore lost containment. Most of the game they kept him in the pocket. His run came when he got outside of that containment. Very similar to what teams try to do with Cam.

Otherwise, I think Baltimore made him the second year QB with 10 starts that he was. Had the lights not gone out. Many would have questioned whether Smith would have done a better job.

Losing containment, that's the whole idea. Who cares about people questioning. Kaep is big time and the future. No way in he'll would they let Smith play. That's why He'll be on the trading block this offseason.

[MadHatter]

The read option WILL be a portion of our offense. I don't think you will see quite as much of it next year as compared to what Chud ran early in the season.

By mixing it in with the power running game, play action game, etc it will become more successful. Keep the defense guessing is always a good thing,

We became way to predictable with it last season and that us why the offense bogged down at times.

I love the flexibility that this offense should have due to Cam's abilities. Use all of these schemes...don't lick in heavy on one.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Gore had two big runs and CK had his touchdown run. The TD to Crabtree was off of play-action not the R.O.

I like CK. I think Cam and him will be the most dangerous in this R.O. Play because they are so big and so fast. I think as a pocket passer. I think Newton is a better passer. I noticed alot of 3/4 delivers from CK. Newton is more of an over the top thrower.

If you think that doing well after 30 minutes is acceptable. OK if you say so.

Since we will never know whether the lights made a difference. Most say it was a good reset for SF. I would have to admit it was. Baltimore's offense went 84 minutes without touching the ball. Nearly an hour and a half because of the lights.

You didn't see the difference before and after. Before the lights went out on SF it was 3rd and 13. Hardly SF kicking ass.

So we'll just leave it as we agree to disagree.

CK was OK, I wouldn't say great. He had about 20 minutes worth of highlights.

[CatMan72]

He's right, teams will spend this offense studying how to beat the read option and it won't be nearly as effective this coming season.

Good news for us is that Cam can thrive in a pro-style offense.

[TheRumGone]

If we were running it right there shouldn't be a pause and it shouldn't affect when the RB hits the hole. This is an offense that has to adjust always.

Here is how Chip Kelly explains it:

Edit: Welp I was going to copy from a clinic paper that Kelly had on his offense but i will have to paraphrase because for some reason this site wouldn't let me do it.

Basically, he said that the coach needs to know when the RB is hitting the hole. If he is hitting the hole too late, the coaches need to move the RB up. If he is hitting the hole too early, you move the RB back further. He said you don't adjust the speed of the play to get the timing right you change your alignment.

It was a little more complex than that, but that was the gist of it.

If there is an issue with how long it is taking a RB to get to the hole the offensive coordinator is supposed to adjust his and possibly the QB's alignment. Move them closer to the O-line.

This offense is so complex and simple at the same time. But it requires very detailed adjustments to how you line up in the backfield and a faster pace to make sure the assignments are correct and to see how the defense is going to defend it.

We were slow getting out of the huddle and were not able to audible. Those are the two most important factors of running that kind of offense and we did neither.

As far as adjusting alignment of the QB and RB I don't know if Chud did made changes in that regard or not.

Interesting. Still, I think we have the best chance to win by only running that offense 3-5 times a game. I think it better serves Cam in the present and future. But what you just said makes sense. Maybe Cam wasn't coached the right way how to run it. Even still don't wanna see it run very much.

[Guest BlueBoy]

Gore had two big runs and CK had his touchdown run. The TD to Crabtree was off of play-action not the R.O.

I like CK. I think Cam and him will be the most dangerous in this R.O. Play because they are so big and so fast. I think as a pocket passer. I think Newton is a better passer. I noticed alot of 3/4 delivers from CK. Newton is more of an over the top thrower.

If you think that doing well after 30 minutes is acceptable. OK if you say so.

Since we will never know whether the lights made a difference. Most say it was a good reset for SF. I would have to admit it was. Baltimore's offense went 84 minutes without touching the ball. Nearly an hour and a half because of the lights.

You didn't see the difference before and after. Before the lights went out on SF it was 3rd and 13. Hardly SF kicking ass.

So we'll just leave it as we agree to disagree.

CK was OK, I wouldn't say great. He had about 20 minutes worth of highlights.

So, since there was no blackout in the falcons game, what's the excuse in SF coming back? What about the 9ers game against NE during the regular season? 22 points deficit with 2 quarters left is nothing. That's only 3 TD. One quick 3 and out you have a ball game. Come on!

[Guest BlueBoy]

He's right, teams will spend this offense studying how to beat the read option and it won't be nearly as effective this coming season.

Good news for us is that Cam can thrive in a pro-style offense.

Well, they have 9 months to figure it out. Wish them luck though. Hopefully by next year I won't hear DCs normally need a good 5 years to figure out new offenses. Can't wait to laugh.

[teeray]

He's right, teams will spend this offense studying how to beat the read option and it won't be nearly as effective this coming season.

Good news for us is that Cam can thrive in a pro-style offense.

People in college have been studying for 10 years now and still haven't come up with much.

But the truth is, as with any offense in the world, the key is balance and deception.

[Marguide]

The most important thing to me is we continue the threat of designed runs for Cam, whether it be through read option plays, conventional QB draws or whatever.

If it is a real threat on a given running play or play action fake, you effectively tie up one more defender than otherwise. If all we did was run out of I-form or traditional shotgun runs and never used Cam as the designed runner, we let the defense ignore him as a threat. That would be a big mistake imo.

[Razeyfingers]

The RB shouldn't be standing with his feet nailed down. When the exchange takes place the RB should be 85% of top speed and then exploding through the hole. He isn't reading linebackers, he already knows where he needs to go. The RB is responsible for the exchange, the QB is in charge of the read. The RB is supposed to go straight to where his gap should be, but he also has the option to cutback to a better gap if it opens up and looks to be the better option. Something that RBs do in any zone blocking run scheme, whether it be under center or out of the shotgun or in the pistol.

The back is most certainly not going 85% of his speed, maybe that is the problem you're finding. Watch the tape and tell me Stew or D'Lo are ever going 85% at the point of hand off.

Also, again, the back's field is narrower because he has to stay closer to the middle of the field in case the QB takes it. So he cant adjust, he cant go faster. . . basically he's wearing lead weights until the QB removes them.

edit: the back doesnt know if he's blocking or running yet at the point of hand off. So, yes, he is reading the play and no he doesnt have a set gap to just run through then. That takes time for a brain to work out and it's about a billion times easier to plant a heel in the dirt and explode when the play is a definite hand off. See a guy breaking through a gap early? cut earlier and bounce to the outside. There's much less time to do that in an option and he has less speed AND is closer to the center of the field.

[teeray]

The back is most certainly not going 85% of his speed, maybe that is the problem you're finding. Watch the tape and tell me Stew or D'Lo are ever going 85% at the point of hand off.

Also, again, the back's field is narrower because he has to stay closer to the middle of the field in case the QB takes it. So he cant adjust, he cant go faster. . . basically he's wearing lead weights until the QB removes them.

edit: the back doesnt know if he's blocking or running yet at the point of hand off. So, yes, he is reading the play and no he doesnt have a set gap to just run through then. That takes time for a brain to work out and it's about a billion times easier to plant a heel in the dirt and explode when the play is a definite hand off. See a guy breaking through a gap early? cut earlier and bounce to the outside. There's much less time to do that in an option and he has less speed AND is closer to the center of the field.

The 85% is what the coaches who actually run this offense say. You using the Panthers version is like watching William Hung to learn about singing. I have said all along the problem wasn't the read option, but how we tried to run it and how we executed it.

The RB is never blocking. He runs straight to his gap no matter whether he gets the ball or doesn't for deception purposes.

They are told that they are going to jam it into the A gap unless they see something better. So they are coached to run right at the butt of the frontside guard.

Here is the clever way the running backs coach for Oregon explains it to his players.

He tells them pretend like you are out on a Saturday night and you see a good looking girl. That girl is in the A gap and you are going for her. However, before you commit, scan the room and have a look at the girl over there to she if she looks even better.

The RB knows where he is going. He runs straight for the A gap but has to read to see if there is a better gap before he gets there. If there is he will cutback through that gap.

Even if the QB keeps it the RB has to sell the fact that he has the ball so the DE can crash down on him. So he is never a blocker.

And lastly, the RB is in charge of the exchange in the zone read. The QB is in charge of the read. So the RB shouldn't be looking at the defense at that point, he is focusing on the exchange. The QB is reading the defense, and it is up to him where the running play goes. Or more accurately, it is up to the defense which way the run goes.

And in case you didn't get the William Hung reference

[Mr. Scot]

I'm a troll because I don't think an old hag should be complaining about our offensive system? OK, guy!

If I were you I'd take the troll label.

It's a better option than being dumb enough to talk about Steve Smith like that.

[Razeyfingers]

The 85% is what the coaches who actually run this offense say. . . .

And in case you didn't get the William Hung reference

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