Gil Brandt ranks Cam 7th best QB under 30

[FootballMaestro]

but moon said the same thing.

meh...never mind.

you're right. he was being disengenious when he said he needed to be a better teammate and he needed to grow, otherwise he's perfect.

If you wanna keep extrapolating what you want; go ahead.

But I think what I've said has been quite clear.

You should read it again (or fully), if you can't draw the distinctions.

And I say that with respect, cause I know you're a good, frequent poster here.

[FootballMaestro]

Double

[footballisasport]

No, he said he would have placed him higher had he played in the first half of the season at the same level as he did in the second half. Pretty simple and hard to argue I would think.

Brandt is full of ish. Only with Cam does he and those in the media, feel the need to find any reason to keep him down. I'm sure if the Panthers had a great season and missed the play-offs, that would have been the reason. I'm sure if the Panthers had made the play-offs and Cam not have such a great personal season like his rookie season, that would have been his reasoning. It seems when it comes to Cam, anything than can cancel out his achievements out.. Funny thing, when it comes to Luck, only positive spins will be used to justify him always being above the other QBs. Nope, not SO obvious about that.

Amazing that when it comes to Luck as QB, the team as a whole ability or inability is factored into the equation when it comes to evulating his personal performances but when it's Cam, the Panthers as a team, isn't even in the equaton. It's he and only he who is under the microscope. Yep, nothing subjective at all about the way Cam is being treated.

Some of you need to stop fall for the media's constant arcobatic talks. If these younger QBs are ranked by team wins and loses, as many keep pretending, then Colin should be on top regardless of when he started, with Wilson second, RG third and Luck and Cam, in that order. If it's about QB's personal accomplishments, Luck would be last, Wilson should be first and Cam, RG and Colin somewhere in the middle. And were is Andy and Christian Ponder?

But who the fug are we kidding! This is pure media brainwashed stuff go on here where the great White Hope simply has to play well enough that his fathers in the media can make the argument that he deserves to be firs when it comes to the younger QBs. The other ***** QB will fall inline according to how the media like them to be precieved. We need to stop acting as if the NFL isn't still pretty much a reflection of the way the media wants us to see these QBs.

[rayzor]

sorry...it hasn't been clear.

it sounds like a whole lot of spinning.

[rayzor]

Brandt is full of ish. Only with Cam does he and those in the media, feel the need to find any reason to keep him down. I'm sure if the Panthers had a great season and missed the play-offs, that would have been the reason. I'm sure if the Panthers had made the play-offs and Cam not have such a great personal season like his rookie season, that would have been his reasoning. It seems when it comes to Cam, anything than can cancel out his achievements out.. Funny thing, when it comes to Luck, only positive spins will be used to justify him always being above the other QBs. Nope, not SO obvious about that.

Amazing that when it comes to Luck as QB, the team as a whole ability or inability is factored into the equation when it comes to evulating his personal performances but when it's Cam, the Panthers as a team, isn't even in the equaton. It's he and only he who is under the microscope. Yep, nothing subjective at all about the way Cam is being treated.

lol about you complaining about people not being objective in their view of cam.

[footballisasport]

I don't disagree with what you're saying in principle. Of course there were things Cam could have done better or improved on. However, you gotta take those comments with a grain of salt, cause Cam always blames himself for every loss (no matter how bad everyone else was), and judges him self quite harshly and his need to improve.

As a matter of fact, I remember when he made those comments about dealing with losing/being a better teammate. And after he did, both Hurney and Rivera said publicly, 'that's how I want my quarterback to feel. I don't want My quarterback to sit well with losing. To be quite honest. We actually need more Cam Newtons on this team'. So they kinda poo poo-ed his statements at the time. And I remember that. It was just PR poo--coming from Cam, and both Rivera and Hurney didn't buy it, and made no apologies for Cam's 'difficulties with losing'.

Now, Cam later in the season, apologizing to each team unit, regarding his early season play and the Panther losses, and what he could have contributed; then getting better as the season progressed, was The REAL Deal!! And that was done in private and never addressed with the press (until the next upcoming interview/er who ask, of course).

Big Difference!

The bottomline is, these folks want us to judge these QBs based on how they want us to preceive them. Everything Cam does gets scrutinized and criticized. Everything Luck does gets praised. End of story. You cannot take the media seriously nor can you talk the comments by some seriously.

Every QB that I've seen on tve is allowed to be himself and act as "immature" as they want but not Cam. Go figure.

[footballisasport]

lol, he agreed to it. said he was working on it. showed he had workers on it. those working with him said as much.

again, get over it.

he's not perfect. he's got room for growth as a player and a man....just like anyone on or off the field. he's been growing.

So the kid shows some humility and that's gounds to project ur immature behavior towards him. Ur attitude and comments reminds me of a bully justifying his reasons for attacking a kid simple because everyone else is.

No matter what Cam sees within himself that he needs to fix, there is no grounds for the immature ridiculing of everything he does. Where is ur maturity? U said he's young but u keep finding reasons to criticize every dumb ish he does simply because Brandt say so.. Even worst, there is nothing that Cam is actuall doing that is worth attacking him endlessly over. Why should it bother u how Cam sit on the sideline? U seem more interested in wanting Cam to fix all the silly faults those like Brandt find but u seem to settle with the very little effort shown by the older guys on the Panthers to step up and show some real leadership to the team. That is why i call u a hypocrit. It seems like, u're intentionally using Cam as a scape goat because u know ur team is filled with a bunch of immature players but it's easier to attack him because folks is Brandt is making so.. Now that shows maturity.

[rayzor]

wow ok.

i wish i had a translator that spoke ass so i could communicate with you better.

not worth the effort, tho.

[tiger7_88]

Whether by selective camera work by the media or not, I still stand by the "more involvement" thing. No, I wasn't able to make it to a game this year and I'm going by just what I see through the TV.

I think I discovered your main problem.

[footballisasport]

Whether by selective camera work by the media or not, I still stand by the "more involvement" thing. No, I wasn't able to make it to a game this year and I'm going by just what I see through the TV.

I do see Cam shedding the pouting behavior after something adverse, which is wonderful. But I have never seen him looking at pictures, film, talking with coaches, etc on the sidelines.

That is what I want to see from my young quarterback. Maybe I need to get to a game in 2013 to see that.

Only fans who sit and entertain the media and their endless spins wonder why their team isn't in play-offs and SB bound. As I said before, Cam should have been playing for a team outside of the South. Way to much smalled minded thinking surround this young man.

FYI, the camera will show you what the media want to sell you.

[footballisasport]

I think I discovered your main problem.

Shhhhh...Don't tell them that. Let them keep buying what the media is selling.

[footballisasport]

wow ok.

i wish i had a translator that spoke ass so i could communicate with you better.

not worth the effort, tho.

What needs translation is you believing tearing down your QB based on media poo will help your team..

[LiQuiD]

If either one of you assholes want to buy me season tix I'll gladly watch Cam from the stands. kthxbai

[1989]

Unless you're speaking about when you're at the games, I call BS on this.

Cam always looked over film and sat down with Shula from day one (win or lose).

However, the media created this false image of Cam, by showing him on the sidelines with his towel (which he does regardless of how the game is going or how he's doing), while they show other QB's talking to their teammates and coaches. Cam was no different. However television chose to show him sitting alone. Of course, as of late they show him more now with his coaches. But that doesn't take away from the fact that he had did this before.

Now Cam is not perfect. However, many of the things he gets called on, other QB's do the same thing and it never gets brought up or mentioned. That's what some Cam backers have a problem with.

The leader thing is overrated as well. If the Panthers had a real head coach (Rivera is learning his job more than Cam actually), the leadership would start from the top and everyone on the team would know their roles and place. It's easy to be a leader when your team is winning and you have stability at the top from a head coach who knows what he's doing and is in control of his team. Rivera was not, and the job, both on and off the field got away from him.

Remember, Rivera himself has mentioned to the media, that he should have hired a former HC to help him out with the job. How do you expect Cam to be a leader, when the Head Coach doesn't know what's he's doing, and the team is losing or underachieving? It's not the same.

This is all bull. I havent been brain washed by the media.

I've watched quarterbacks like Brady and Peyton and Rodgers do everything besides go straight to the bench after they come off of the field. Peyton especially. He is always talking with his coaches and O-line and receivers and standing up, watching his defense play.

I am 24... basically the same age as Cam. I have matured so much from the time I first started working full time around 3 years ago. I can only imagine how difficult the NFL is for a young 21 year old. I HAVE watched Cam mature over the past 2 years. He's getting older and gaining experience- much like everyone in the work force.