Gettleman not sold on read option

[Mage]

I'm not going to read through 10 pages but you guys do realize he said, make it a STAPLE of the offense right? Doesn't mean getting rid of it. Just means don't make your whole offense based off of it. Which is right as we saw at the start of this season.

[panthers55]

ugh.

one of his strengths is as a pocket passer. he's got an incredible arm in addition to being a great runner. and again, no one is saying eliminate it...add to it. allow . him to be the true versatile QB, the true DUAL THREAT QB he can be, wants to be, and should be. a complete QB.

you limit him to being a read option QB and you stunt his growth as much as if you were trying to make him just a pocket passer or game manager.

do you think he wants to be labeled as a read option QB? if you think thats the case you're being dumb.

no one wants to take away the read option. they want to provide more options for cam and this offense. you limit it and you make this offense easier to figure out and stop. i don't care what hole you're trying to put him in, read option...pocket passer...that hole is going to end up burying his potential and eventually his career. the more versatile you make...the more versatile you ALLOW him to be, the greater he becomes.

If Gettleman has his way the read option may be run a few times a game but as a staple of the offense it is history. If Cam gets hurt running it, it is just gone. Protecting the QB is paramount to him.

[Doc Holiday]

I think the whole RG3 thing got us thinking in our FO what if that happens to Cam, I've been a big proponent doing away with the designed QB run since we got cam

[Mr. Scot]

I think the whole RG3 thing got us thinking in our FO what if that happens to Cam, I've been a big proponent doing away with the designed QB run since we got cam

I can't get behind doing away with it. That threat needs to be there.

Limiting it? Sure.

[Mage]

I can't get behind doing away with it. That threat needs to be there.

Limiting it? Sure.

This. I agree that we should not make it the base of the offense or rely on it as the running game. We saw what happened. Defenders are simply too fast for it to work as a base. But it is great as something to just have in your back pocket. Plus, Newton is FAR too great of a short yardage back to get rid of it completely. The fact is, when you get your QB involved, it increases your chance of scoring in that goal line situation because 11 on 11 > 10 on 11. It is why we have more success just running with Newton on those situations than simply handing it off to a halfback.

[teeray]

Pick any read option guy you want. Gettleman is a more traditionalist and will return to more of a power running attack and passing attack similar to what we ran over the past 8 weeks only more traditional. For better or worse the quirky offenses and exposing the QB to harm are largely over. Cam is going to be protected whether he wants to or not. Most of his running will be on busted plays and to avoid sacks not designed runs.

If you are right, and I think you are, I hope even more that Rivera and Shula can be successful, because if we go back to the ground and pound days, the days of having an exciting explosive offense is over. We will be relegated to just average until Cam fully develops.

We better beef up the defense and in a hurry, because traditional offenses don't really work anymore. Even Harbaugh saw the writing on the wall and went to the pistol read option type offense with Kap. Denver doesn't run a traditional offense, nor does New Orleans neither does Green bay, neither does New England. Those teams run more of a spread offense than we ever have, they just don't use a read option component (especially Den and NE). Seattle, SF, and Washington's offenses has been well documented.

The other teams in the playoffs this year may run more traditional offenses but most of those teams are just good enough to squeak into the playoffs and get beat and by and large got in on the merits of their defense or Adrian Peterson. The lone exception is the Ravens this season, although their defense is still pretty darn good, but they usually fall into that category of being just good enough to get to the playoffs.

The NFL is changing. And yet we are about to be stuck in the past.

I hope I am wrong. Hopefully Gettleman is not so stuck in his ways that he can't see the evolution of the game. But when you deal with 60+ year old that usually isn't the case.

[teeray]

I can't get behind doing away with it. That threat needs to be there.

Limiting it? Sure.

If you try to limit it, it becomes mostly useless. Same as if you try to force it like we may have doen at the beginning of the year, it becomes useless. It has to be used for a purpose that does not include "just sprinkle it in". The flow of the game and the defense should dictate that, not preconceived limits on how many times to use it in a single game.

[Icege]

I recall Palmer taking a bad hit outside of the pocket as a pocket passer. I think that in the same scenario Cam would have been able to take off. In my opinion the read option is a luxury, not something to base a professional football team's offense around.

[rayzor]

I think the whole RG3 thing got us thinking in our FO what if that happens to Cam, I've been a big proponent doing away with the designed QB run since we got cam

this would be a bad thing and leave a ton of points off the table and games put on the L column.

the threat has to be there. he has to make it be there. designed runs have to be a part of the scheme, not a significant part, but they have to be there none-the-less.

[OHK]

I hope people realize that to a certain extent, Gettleman has absolutely no say whether or not we use the read option. The personnel is there, so he can't influence that. The coaching staff is there, so he can't influence that either. The only way Gettleman can truly prevent us from running the read-option would be for it to fail us, give us a poor record and thus allow him to fire the coaching staff.

Regardless, to a certain extent I do agree with him. As big as Cam is, he's still a quarterback, and he's still less conditioned than any other offensive position to receive blows, thus increasing the chances of injury. The read option can never be both a long-term solution and a major part of the offense. If its long-term, the read option will have to become nothing more than a wrinkle. If its a major part of the offense, the quarterback simply won't survive to make it a long-term solution.

We shouldn't ignore Cam's elite athleticism, and we should design plays to utilize it. But I'd prefer if those plays were nothing more than change ups.

[BigSyke]

i swear to god every running qb comes looks great at first...then the defense gets tape on em and they fail or they end up hurt......... CLASSIC(never goes out style) pocket passing is where the game belongs and where it will stay. you cant stop a great passer no matter how much film you study because they make good decisions and most times are very accurate. they know to how read defense and go through progressions. they know when to extend a play or run for the first down..

this is great news because newton can become like a rodgers.....a guy who runs to escape pressure and extend plays not by design. its great to have a mobile qb like that and you could still mix a little read option here and there.. but for the most part it will be a pro style offense.

[BigSyke]

yeah of course you can get hurt playing in the pocket...you can always get hurt playing football...lol

and that makes even more undestanding why a guy should stay in the pocket because you are already going to take your fair share of shots....no need to run out there for more lol

but runnings qbs dont win superbowls like pocket guys do....most great qbs are pocket guys.

i love a guy who can run its makes him that more lethal....but dont make it your bread and butter. always go through your progressions first as a passer then run. i have nothing against running qbs......

[rayzor]

I recall Palmer taking a bad hit outside of the pocket as a pocket passer. I think that in the same scenario Cam would have been able to take off. In my opinion the read option is a luxury, not something to base a professional football team's offense around.

his worst injury was in the pocket...same with brady's...same with theisman's....same with many. the injuries that were the real potential threats to players careers came in the pocket.

the most dangerous place for a QB is in the pocket, focused on the field rather than the backfield. not only do they have to worry about defenders, but they have to worry about their own linemen getting pushed back into them. and no OL is immune to that.

[rayzor]

If you are right, and I think you are, I hope even more that Rivera and Shula can be successful, because if we go back to the ground and pound days, the days of having an exciting explosive offense is over. We will be relegated to just average until Cam fully develops.

We better beef up the defense and in a hurry, because traditional offenses don't really work anymore. Even Harbaugh saw the writing on the wall and went to the pistol read option type offense with Kap. Denver doesn't run a traditional offense, nor does New Orleans neither does Green bay, neither does New England. Those teams run more of a spread offense than we ever have, they just don't use a read option component (especially Den and NE). Seattle, SF, and Washington's offenses has been well documented.

The other teams in the playoffs this year may run more traditional offenses but most of those teams are just good enough to squeak into the playoffs and get beat and by and large got in on the merits of their defense or Adrian Peterson. The lone exception is the Ravens this season, although their defense is still pretty darn good, but they usually fall into that category of being just good enough to get to the playoffs.

The NFL is changing. And yet we are about to be stuck in the past.

I hope I am wrong. Hopefully Gettleman is not so stuck in his ways that he can't see the evolution of the game. But when you deal with 60+ year old that usually isn't the case.

100% agreed.