Continuity not Capability

[Sloth]

Nah, Shula was already an abject failure in Tampa before Hue got his shot coaching Stephen Davis in Washington.

Going to dig up some comparison coaching stats. One sec.

Edit: Stephen DAVIS, not Stephen JACKSON :(

[CRA]

Where?

Best I could dig up was the one season at Bama where they won the Cotton Bowl.

Um, when you HC asks you to play Foxball bc you have a top 5 D. You won't have big offensive numbers...especially with your best offensive weapon given to you is a FB.

Tampa was 29-19 his last 3 years. They won football games.

Pretty sure he called some good offensive games during that.

Too many people are just cherry picking the teams offensive ranking and ignore the rest. Go back and look at that roster and what Dungy asked....Shula did it. Then Dungy realized he needed to make some moves bc he needed more offense since he wasn't winning playoff games. Like all coaches you finger point and make changes. He didn't just hire a new OC.....he did what needed to be done and added talent (which helped score). Shula could only do so much with Alstot

[Sloth]

Hue Jackson:

2001 - 2002

Coached Stephen Davis in Washington.

2003

OC for Washington during Spurrier's last season

2004 - 2006

Coached Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh in Cincinatti.

2007

OC in Atlanta under Bobby Petrino and Emmitt Thomas

2008 - 2009

QB coach for Joe Flacco

2010

OC for Oakland, offense was 6th in scoring and 10th in overall offense, also 2nd overall in rushing. Raiders doubled their scoring output from the previous season.

2011

HC for Oakland, went 8-8, fired after one season

2012

Returned to Cincinnati as Assistant to Special Teams and Assistant to Defensive Backs

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Then we have Mike Shula:

1996 - 1999

OC for Tampa, whose offense performed as follows:

1996 - 30th of 30 in points scored, 28th in total yards

1997 - 23rd of 30 in points scored, 29th in total yards

1998 - 18th of 30 in points scored, 22nd in total yards (* Peak year! *)

1999 - 27th of 31 in points scored, 28th in total yards

I'm not reposting his failure at Alabama

2007 - 2010

QB coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars

2011 - 2012

QB coach for the Panthers

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You're right teeray, Hue really pales in comparison. Maybe once he languishes at QB coach for 6 years and has a college HC collapse or two he can make a comeback.

[Sloth]

So we are making excuses for him now?

Also the irony here, intentional or not, was fuging awesome.

[CRA]

Hue Jackson:

2001 - 2002

Coached Stephen Davis in Washington.

2003

OC for Washington during Spurrier's last season

2004 - 2006

Coached Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh in Cincinatti.

2007

OC in Atlanta under Bobby Petrino and Emmitt Thomas

2008 - 2009

QB coach for Joe Flacco

2010

OC for Oakland, offense was 6th in scoring and 10th in overall offense, also 2nd overall in rushing. Raiders doubled their scoring output from the previous season.

2011

HC for Oakland, went 8-8, fired after one season

2012

Returned to Cincinnati as Assistant to Special Teams and Assistant to Defensive Backs

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Then we have Mike Shula:

1996 - 1999

OC for Tampa, whose offense performed as follows:

1996 - 30th of 30 in points scored, 28th in total yards

1997 - 23rd of 30 in points scored, 29th in total yards

1998 - 18th of 30 in points scored, 22nd in total yards (* Peak year! *)

1999 - 27th of 31 in points scored, 28th in total yards

I'm not reposting his failure at Alabama

2007 - 2010

QB coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars

2011 - 2012

QB coach for the Panthers

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You're right teeray, Hue really pales in comparison. Maybe once he languishes at QB coach for 6 years and has a college HC collapse or two he can make a comeback.

You do realize the manner in which you compared them is hysterical.

I mean for example....you cherry picked his offensive rankings when his team was in the postseason yet when given the opportunity for Jackson said simply coached under someone (when his team lost and ranked poorly in pts and yards)

[Sloth]

You do realize the manner in which you compared them is hysterical.

I mean for example....you cherry picked his offensive rankings when his team was in the postseason yet when given the opportunity for Jackson said simply coached under someone (when his team lost and ranked poorly in pts and yards)

CRA, I have to apologize. I assumed anyone following the thread could read and had noticed teeray point out Hue's crash in Washington and Atlanta about an hour ago.

[Ivan The Awesome]

These conspiracy theories about Rivera picking a guy that wouldn't take his place are getting ridiculous..

[Sloth]

Also CRA, are you still pushing the "coaches don't matter" schtick?

[captfluoro]

CRA has a point.

2003: Washington 23/32 in points, 22/32 yards

2007: Atlanta 29/32 points, 23/32 yards

Personally I'm ambivalent about the hire. Wait and see is how I look at it.

[CRA]

Also CRA, are you still pushing the "coaches don't matter" schtick?

In the NFL? I'd rather have very good players and average coaches then above average coaches and bad players.

[CRA]

CRA has a point.

2003: Washington 23/32 in points, 22/32 yards

2007: Atlanta 29/32 points, 23/32 yards

Personally I'm ambivalent about the hire. Wait and see is how I look at it.

Both also had losing records. Shula had a losing record once in 4 years.....so did enough with what he had (which wasn't much)....but it fit what Dungy asked

[Marguide]

I feel like we would excel in a simple run first offense...just my opinion. Ride Stew, Tolbert, and maybe Williams all day and make Cam a glorified game manager. He's never going to be Brady or Manning and there is nothing wrong with that.

Cam's accuracy is still horrible, I am far from being anti Cam, but the guy struggles to hit RBs on screens, overthrows intermediate routes, and leads his receivers out of bounds when throwing deep towards the sidelines. You can score on the ground, we do more than we pass for scores.

I guess somebody better tell the folks in Indy they might as well go ahead and just make Luck a game manager, because he sprays balls all over the field.

Oh, and that Manning guy couldn't even hit 60% of his passes the 1st two years. Over the same period, his completion % is a whopping 0,5% better than Cam's. That means for every 1000 passes, he would only complete 5 more than Cam. Should have just made him a game manager too.

[rodeo]

In the NFL? I'd rather have very good players and average coaches then above average coaches and bad players.

False dichotomy.

[Growl]

the run run sack punt has returned to the Carolinas baby!