Continuity not Capability

[catnip]

All these coaches know that next season is playoffs or go home. Rivera is making the decisions on the coaches, so he will either take the blame or the praise. I like the idea of bulding the staff from within and bringing back Skipper an old Panther coach.

Look at the Steelers. They promoted from within and built a winning tradition. Our team needs a winning tradition and not making a wholesale change will make a difference .

[panthers55]

The logic that Shula had the best plan for the team is the fools gold one. History tells us that every time he was an OC the offence regressed. Rivera also chose to hire internally for ST as well. I guess that guy had a better plan than one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Shula has only been OC one time in the past so history shows that over a decade ago he did not do a great job. Since then he has been effective as a head coach taking Alabama from NCAA sanctions and a "broken program" to a bowl game in 3 years. He was 26-23 over the 4 years. The fact that he couldn't beat Auburn played a big part in his downfall. As a quarterback coach he has a good history of being effective with who he coaches.

And honestly Jackson is not one of the best coaches in the NFL. He is currently the assistant to the special teams coach. He was 8-8 as a head coach. He was offensive coordinator for great coaches like Steve Spurrier and Bobby Petrino among others. He would have been a good choice for OC but surely not a prohibitive favorite. If he was so good then why did he not get one of the head coach vacancies and so far none of the OC jobs.

[csx]

People have heard Jackson's name and he's somebody different. That is the sum of the reasons why he was a favorite here for the job. He is a decent enough guy but he is also known as a job hopper and really has done nothing outstanding.

[MadHatter]

Not smart with his money in many ways and frugal in the others, both misguided at times. And I'll argue anything I want.

You can argue any position....does not lessen the fact that your arguement is majorly flawed and just damn wrong.

[MadHatter]

You can argue any position....does not lessen the fact that your arguement is majorly flawed and just damn wrong.

The only time that JR was cheap or frugal was the year before the impending lockout. And quite frankly, it was not a bad decision. He was trying to ensure that all employees of the organziation kept their jobs.

[Cyberjag]

Assuming Jackson wasn't better than Shula, doesn't it beg the question, why were those three guys the best that applied for the job? Don't you think that the opportunity to run an offense led by Cam Newton with our talent at running back would be attractive? I would think that agents everywhere for aspiring OCs would be asking their clients if they were interested, and running ot the Panthers.

Obviously Norv wasn't that interested, even if he was close at Cleveland it wouldn't be the first time a coach who was close went elsewhere. And we got no action/inquiries from anyone else?

Weird...

[rayzor]

Assuming Jackson wasn't better than Shula, doesn't it beg the question, why were those three guys the best that applied for the job? Don't you think that the opportunity to run an offense led by Cam Newton with our talent at running back would be attractive? I would think that agents everywhere for aspiring OCs would be asking their clients if they were interested, and running ot the Panthers.

Obviously Norv wasn't that interested, even if he was close at Cleveland it wouldn't be the first time a coach who was close went elsewhere. And we got no action/inquiries from anyone else?

Weird...

join a new staff and get 2-3 years out of it or join rivera's and get 1. kind of easy.

job security ftw.

[panthers55]

Assuming Jackson wasn't better than Shula, doesn't it beg the question, why were those three guys the best that applied for the job? Don't you think that the opportunity to run an offense led by Cam Newton with our talent at running back would be attractive? I would think that agents everywhere for aspiring OCs would be asking their clients if they were interested, and running ot the Panthers.

Obviously Norv wasn't that interested, even if he was close at Cleveland it wouldn't be the first time a coach who was close went elsewhere. And we got no action/inquiries from anyone else?

Weird...

Obviously the job security issue was a factor. Do you go with a new coach in a new job where you have a few years or do you go to Carolina where you are expected to deliver immediately. Plus you have to be willing to run a similar system to what we already have, have to hit the ground running in a small market and pass up jobs in some of the biggest cities like NY or Philly, or Chicago,etc. Lots of factors.

Bottom line is that Shula was the best candidate by Gettleman's and Rivera's assessment. Why can't folks just be okay with that??

[Marguide]

Bottom line is that Shula was the best candidate by Gettleman's and Rivera's assessment. Why can't folks just be okay with that??

Well, we have to accept it if we want to remain fans of the team I suppose, but that doesn't mean we have to be okay with it or agree with it.

It is called a differing opinion. This is a message board in which we debate and discuss differing opinions. Why should everyone be expected to just line up behind every decision made by the organization?

[rayzor]

Well, we have to accept it if we want to remain fans of the team I suppose, but that doesn't mean we have to be okay with it or agree with it.

It is called a differing opinion. This is a message board in which we debate and discuss differing opinions. Why should everyone be expected to just line up behind every decision made by the organization?

we shouldn't, and P55 sure didn't when jerry tanked the 2010 season.

[FootballMaestro]

Obviously the job security issue was a factor. Do you go with a new coach in a new job where you have a few years or do you go to Carolina where you are expected to deliver immediately. Plus you have to be willing to run a similar system to what we already have, have to hit the ground running in a small market and pass up jobs in some of the biggest cities like NY or Philly, or Chicago,etc. Lots of factors.

Bottom line is that Shula was the best candidate by Gettleman's and Rivera's assessment. Why can't folks just be okay with that??

Why do people keep saying this?

Joseph Person reported that both Hue Jackson and Shurmur wanted the Job.

Obviously Norv Turner, was locked up by Chud already, and is going to Cleveland to be with his son, and because the opportunity was offered to him first before Rivera did. So that's different. And the team didn't pursue Ken Whisenhunt.

Now Remember, there was a report that Bill Cowher was interested in the Carolina job... Jason Laconfora, reported (and said on the air on WFNZ) that Gruden would have came out of retirement for the Panther job....Hot Shot, NY Giants Front Office Whiz Banger, Marc Ross was reported to be DEFINITELY interested in the Panthers GM job he was denied. And after missing out on the Panther spot, Ross cancelled his interview regarding the open Jets GM position in--NY. And many observers believe, Chip Kelly went back to college cause the Carolina job wasn't available and was going through the motions, before Phila went begging back and sweetened the deal.

So let's stop acting like Carolina with Cam and Crew is some crappy job. Every coach knows (and the NY Times reported this with much hyperbole several weeks ago), that the Panthers job, is one of the best in the NFL for a new, competent coach to show immediate, legitimate improvement with. And an OC doesn't even have to win (even in one year). He just has to produce a good offense to get a HC gig. That's why Chud is in Cleveland now as Exhibit A!

[rayzor]

I don't know how anyone can say the Shula promotion was bad, for the life of me. For all we know Cam and Jackson might have not even got a long, Rivera is gone regardless if wins don't come why even add speculation to why you were bad if were bad next year again. Now there is no excuse for the offense to not know what they are doing, essentially.

if we win, we win...but if we fail we still win because then he'll be gone? not sure if that's what your line of thinking is. i kind of got lost after the valid point that cam and jackson might not have gotten along.

but i'm not a fan of thinking that losing is a good thing at any point, and i know that there's probably some that think i want rivera to fail, but that's just not the case. having miniscule faith in rivera to be a successful HC and questioning his decision making skills isn't wanting him to fail. he's here, i want him to succeed.

i don't see next year having another losing year and then rivera getting fired as a bonus. i would see it as proof of yet another failure of this organization and it would piss me off more.

[Sloth]

Why should everyone be expected to just line up behind every decision made by the organization?

Well, when your organization is known far and wide for it's foresight and good decision making, I truly feel they should be given the benefit of the doubt in situations like these.

pfffahaha

[Doc Holiday]

So the question I have will 9 wins and no playoffs save his job.

if its me answering that question it would be no, I say playoffs or bust