If a sure-fire WR1 is not available after our first 2 picks, should we wait? Presuming we go Line with 1 and 2

[rayzor]

I completely agree!

I hope Gettleman will change this culture.

Being a NYG staff, it seems like they know the the skill players like receivers are important. Drafting/finding guys like Nicks, Cruz, Jernigan, Randle, Manningham, Steve Smith and Barden.

barden is only good against us, but still the point is clear. they built the team riding the wave of the increasingly pass heavy NFL.

fox/hurney fought against it. i blame fox as much as hurney for this team's lack of progress in the passing game. that's why it should have been that both were released at the same time. instead hurney became "mr. yessir" and was able to keep the job.

there is so much about the culture that needs to be changed and i hope/believe that gettleman is the guy to do it.

[top dawg]

I honestly (at least from what I've seen right now) do not see a "sure fire number one WR" and I wouldn't take one in the first round (that could change from here to April though).... As for Smitty having "one more beastly year" I think he has 3-4 more solid years he might not be able to put up prime Smitty numbers but he will not digress as fast as you think.

I'd love to get Amari Cooper (Alabama) in two years

I said I believe Smitty has at least one more beastly year. I am not one of these Smitty-is-falling-off-a-cliff people, though we have to be realistic in this situation. 89 is not gonna last forever. Do I think he can still be an integral part of any NFL offense for a few more years? I won't be the one betting against him.

[koolkatluke]

I like to ask some Question to you WR people.

1. Do you really think there is a Wr in this draft that we can get at 14 or in the 2nd round that day 1 can replace Smith? If not it's a wasted pick.

Unless you're getting a Megatron, AJ Green, A Johnson, Dez Bryant, or Julio Jones. It's not worth drafting a Wr for this team in the 1st round. When we have bigger needs at DT, Oline, and CB.

[rscott94]

I said I believe Smitty has at least one more beastly year. I am not one of these Smitty-is-falling-off-a-cliff people, though we have to be realistic in this situation. 89 is not gonna last forever. Do I think he can still be an integral part of any NFL offense for a few more years? I won't be the one betting against him.

My bad I misunderstood you...

I'd love to get this guy as a future number one when ever he's draft eligible

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

We need all those positions equally..there are a few Wrs in this draft who I think can be number ones or 1-A..where a Lafell is like a 2-B..

Allen, Williams(depending on combine) can be number 1s.. Austin, Hopkins, Patterson, can be no 2's and who ever thought Smitty would be anything more than a slot guy? I did not even mention the Tenn guys or Louisiana Tech guy..not a draft that we can afford not come away with a choice WR that fits the system perfectly.

[carolina-chuck]

I like to ask some Question to you WR people.

1. Do you really think there is a Wr in this draft that we can get at 14 or in the 2nd round that day 1 can replace Smith? If not it's a wasted pick.

Unless you're getting a Megatron, AJ Green, A Johnson, Dez Bryant, or Julio Jones. It's not worth drafting a Wr for this team in the 1st round. When we have bigger needs at DT, Oline, and CB.

I think we can get one who we can groom into our future no.1. Not one who can come out and give 1k his rookie season but one who can give probably around 500-800yds and 4-5 tds.

I can see Keenan, Hunter, Twill, Hopkins and Rogers hitting a 500yd season in this offense with Cam, Smitty and Olsen. That's just what I think

[carolina-chuck]

My bad I misunderstood you...

I'd love to get this guy as a future number one when ever he's draft eligible

Cooper will be a Top5 pick. People are already saying he's better than when Green was at UGA

[rayzor]

I disagree with this. Furney drafted 7 wr (Colbert, Jarret, Carter, Robinson, and many more) then they brought in FA wr (Hackett, Keyshawn, Washington, and brought back Moose) . So they tried to fix this it just hasn't worked out.

and many more? as in 3?

when were they drafted? how many were early picks? aside from the guys picked up in '10-'11 hurney had drafted exactly 2 WRs prior to the 3rd round (colbert and jarrett) and rhyne robinson was the only other one drafted before the 5th round. that isn't showing any kind of seriousness about the WR position at all.

and when the list of FAs that you can mention is limited to "Hackett, Keyshawn, Washington, and brought back Moose" that in itself is pretty sad.

the passing game wasn't taken seriously at all. not by the GM. not by the coach.

[DaCityKats]

I like to ask some Question to you WR people.

1. Do you really think there is a Wr in this draft that we can get at 14 or in the 2nd round that day 1 can replace Smith? If not it's a wasted pick.

Unless you're getting a Megatron, AJ Green, A Johnson, Dez Bryant, or Julio Jones. It's not worth drafting a Wr for this team in the 1st round. When we have bigger needs at DT, Oline, and CB.

what? no, but there are WRs who would be great compliments to him that can run vertically up field and take some of the coverage away from Smith with potential to become a #1 WR. you dont know who you are getting, until you get them. the Falcons had Roddy but still traded the farm for Julio. Packers had a stable of WRs but still brought more in. the Giants had Nicks/Cruz but still spent a 2nd on Randle. most successful teams give their QBs plenty of weapons.

and you right Hurney did try to find WRs in trash can behind Golden Wonk.

[rscott94]

Cooper will be a Top5 pick. People are already saying he's better than when Green was at UGA

We should try and execute a trade to snag him the kid is a beast....

[carolina-chuck]

what? no, but there are WRs who would be great compliments to him that can run vertically up field and take some of the coverage away from Smith with potential to become a #1 WR. you dont know who you are getting, until you get them. the Falcons had Roddy but still traded the farm for Julio. Packers had a stable of WRs but still brought more in. the Giants had Nicks/Cruz but still spent a 2nd on Randle. most successful teams give their QBs plenty of weapons.

and you right Hurney did try to find WRs in trash can behind Golden Wonk.

Yep! Todays game has change. It's hard for a team to win with just one true no.1 WR like a Calvin or Larry. Its a pass happy offense that you have a lot of true no.2 WR looking like no.1. It's a receivers by committee group.

For example, look at Baltimore. Torrey Smith back then would look like what he is, a no.2 WR in any offense. Now even though he's a no.2 receiver hes one who can stretch the field. He completely destroyed Champ last weekend.

Also GB has a bunch of no.1 receivers that won't look like theyre no.1 (that go to guy). The ball is being spread everywhere on the field. Everyone is going to do their part. I rather have two no.1 receivers who can stretch the field than a true go to guy in today's offense.

Hopkins, Twill and Rogers seemed like they're guys who can score tds. That's what we need.

[koolkatluke]

I think we can get one who we can groom into our future no.1. Not one who can come out and give 1k his rookie season but one who can give probably around 500-800yds and 4-5 tds.

I can see Keenan, Hunter, Twill, Hopkins and Rogers hitting a 500yd season in this offense with Cam, Smitty and Olsen. That's just what I think

And I can see Gettis, Lafell, and Murphy do the same thing.

[carolina-chuck]

And I can see Gettis, Lafell, and Murphy do the same thing.

Let's quit the Lafell talk. If I'm not mistaken we had this debate for a good while early before the season. We seen what happened. Lafell goes invisible in games constantly and he's not one who'll get you a lot of tds.

I think that Twill, Hopkins and Rogers can give that 500+ yards in limited actions as a rookie. But they'll be able to score tds by stretching the field like a Torrey Smith. They're better receiver IMO than Lafell. I see them being consistent receivers who are not going to go invisible in games. And will only become better as time passes

[koolkatluke]

what? no, but there are WRs who would be great compliments to him that can run vertically up field and take some of the coverage away from Smith with potential to become a #1 WR. you dont know who you are getting, until you get them. the Falcons had Roddy but still traded the farm for Julio. Packers had a stable of WRs but still brought more in. the Giants had Nicks/Cruz but still spent a 2nd on Randle. most successful teams give their QBs plenty of weapons.

and you right Hurney did try to find WRs in trash can behind Golden Wonk.

The falcons did that because they have a Qb who needs that to be successful. Great Qb like I think we have makes his weapons better.

Brady won superbowls with no name wr. Brees makes his wr better. Rodgers makes his wr better.

Our Wr weren't the problem this year our OC was.