I Have Less Faith In Rivera After Today

[raleigh-panther]

From Singletary's last year (2010) to this year, Harbaugh has replaced three offensive linemen while turning the other two into pro-bowlers. He's replaced four of his front seven on defense (moving one of the keepers from NT to DE), and he's replaced three of his four starting DBs. That's a change 8 of 11 defensive positions. On offense, he kept Gore, and managed to turn Smith and Crabtree into productive NFL starters. Now he has his QB under center and the offense looks like the NFL's best. At this point on offense, he's changed the starters at 6 of 11 positions.

In short, in his two years there Harbaugh has pretty much overhauled the entire team and raised the level of play across the board. And he's done it while winning and winning big both years.

What's Rivera done again? If I recall correctly, he cut Otah, replaced Martin with Nakamura, and signed a bunch of ex-Chargers.

But again, the reason Harbaugh has done well is because he walked into a situation where he had a ready-made team, and I'm sure everyone here believes that if Rivera had gone to SF instead of Carolina, he would have had the same results.

Do I understand your position correctly? Just want to be sure...

It's my opinion that Harbaugh had a lot better situation than Rivera's.

It's my opinion that even before Harbaugh moved people around the 49ers were a better team than the Panthers talent-wise.

It's my opinion that no, Rivera, would not done as well as Harbaugh has.

It's my opinion that Rivera is not the HC Harbaugh is.

It's my opinion that people who are fans of the Panthers think there is a lot more talent on the Panthers than there is.

It's my opinion that the lines are the most important pieces of the game of football and they hide a lot of deficencies.

It's my opinon that unless the Panthers fix both lines they will never be much more than what they are now.

Those are my opinions and you are entitled to yours.

[CRA]

Personally, I find the "worst roster" argument kind of silly. Good coaches come in and take horrible rosters like ours to the playoffs all the time.

And one thing that Rivera does do very well is develop talent. I don't see him lasting two more years here, based on the other parts of his job that he doesn't do well, but when he does move on the next guy is going to inherit a roster that's stacked.

RR doesn't develop talent?

Cam Newton - rewriting the NFL record book each season

Luke Kuechly - rewriting Panther records

Greg Hardy - breakout year/ career year

Charles Johnson - career year

- top 10 D with a joke secondary

[rayzor]

Why would you have faith in a coach that has not produced?

I recommend only having faith in those that have been successful.

big head scratcher for me. 4 games out of two seasons, regardless of how good they were, is not enough to elicit confidence or faith for me. he's a losing HC until he proves otherwise.

[DeeJay]

We have a fanbase that complains about everything

Even sir Purr

[TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam]

My faith in RR has been zero since Atlanta.

Yea, Rivera has no nads.... isn't likely a coach of his caliber reaches divisional round play to begin with.

[CRA]

big head scratcher for me. 4 games out of two seasons, regardless of how good they were, is not enough to elicit confidence or faith for me. he's a losing HC until he proves otherwise.

I have faith Newton can take over NFL games once he develops...that is what I bet on. Having Ron as a constant for Cam is just something we endure IMO.

RR will be as good or bad as Newton turns out to be. RR pretty much has taken that gamble. Newton from week one as a rookie has been put on the path to slowly learn how to dominate single handedly.....that doesn't give immediate results but more a big picture project. We will see how that pans out...

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

We seem to have traded "it is what it is" for "it's a process"

[rayzor]

So you're saying that Rivera would have the same results as Harbaugh had he gone to SF?

Do you think that if Harbaugh had come to Carolina, he would have two losing seasons so far?

harbaugh would have done better in either place for 3 reasons.

1) he knew how to be a HC...rivera is still learning after 2 years.

2) he doesn't coach scared like rivera. he coaches to win games convincingly. he coaches to dominate the other team. rivera coaches to get a lead and then hope your defense can hang on to it. he coaches to not lose.

3) he had a more experienced coaching staff

we selected a coach who we hoped would one day know how to be a good head coach...and after two losing seasons we're still hoping for that. meanwhile the 49ers picked someone who was already good at it.

calling him overrated is almost as delusional as calling rivera a good coach. coaches that can win find a way to make their team win. coaches that can't make excuses.

[Future of the Funchise]

After reading the first few posts all I could think was, 'Omg... When did you guys grow vagina's'. You bitches sound like a bunch of battered wives. -.-

[Cyberjag]

RR doesn't develop talent?

Cam Newton - rewriting the NFL record book each season

Luke Kuechly - rewriting Panther records

Greg Hardy - breakout year/ career year

Charles Johnson - career year

- top 10 D with a joke secondary

Please read my post again, I said that developing talent is what RR does well.

[Cyberjag]

coaches that can win find a way to make their team win. coaches that can't make excuses.

QFT

[rayzor]

After reading the first few posts all I could think was, 'Omg... When did you guys grow vagina's'. You bitches sound like a bunch of battered wives. -.-

for not being happy about having a HC that cant figure out how to win?

it's amazing to me how complacent people are about having a perenial losing team.

i can't wait until the "it is what it is" apathetic culture is gone.

[beastson]

I have faith Newton can take over NFL games once he develops...that is what I bet on. Having Ron as a constant for Cam is just something we endure IMO.

RR will be as good or bad as Newton turns out to be. RR pretty much has taken that gamble. Newton from week one as a rookie has been put on the path to slowly learn how to dominate single handedly.....that doesn't give immediate results but more a big picture project. We will see how that pans out...

We have 3 RB's though. That amount of pressure on Cam is unnecessary

[Future of the Funchise]

for not being happy about having a HC that cant figure out how to win?

it's amazing to me how complacent people are about having a perenial losing team.

i can't wait until the "it is what it is" apathetic culture is gone.

No one likes losing, and you don't have to like the coach. You also don't have to do is be all whiney and butt hurt about it. These forums are intended for thoughtful intellectual exchanges. When I read post that some of you make, see the one below, I feel like I'm reading the forums for the lifetime channel. I know it's the off season, but fug, this place is reaching new lows.

Yeah, here is how I look at the Rivera situation.

He came in like a new relationship. We had a great former relationship (Fox) that started strong and then just went horribly wrong. So, we got out of that one and found Rivera. We were excited, and even forgave his first season mistakes. We assured ourselves that he'd do better. Then he cheated on us. Then he lied to us. Then he cheated again. And here we sit...trying to figure out whether we can trust him anymore. We know we deserve better, but at the same time, we want to believe he can be better. So we stay. Now it's go time. He has to put up or shut up. If he drops the ball again, if he lies or cheats again, we have to dump him and find love elsewhere.