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Potential Front Office Hires

Mr. Scot

By Mr. Scot,
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It's highly possible (some might even say likely) that Dave Gettleman won't be the only new name added to the Panthers front office this offseason. Ernie Accorsi's job as a consultant gave him the ability to suggest changes in front office structure. It's also reasonable to think Gettleman will want to put his own imprint on the organization, and do so with some people he knows and trusts.

Here are a few guys from the Giants that could conceivably be brought along and what roles they could fill.

Matt Harriss, Giants Director of Football Operations

Spent five years in the League Management Office where he worked with the salary cap and CBA. Has been assisting the front office with salary cap management and contract negotiation since 2006. Was mentioned by Giants reporter Mike Garafolo when asked by the WFNZ guys who Gettleman could conceivably bring with him. Would likely make a very good cap manager.

(Giants.com bio)

Matt Shauger, Giants Pro Scout

Ten years experience as a pro scout. Helped author a 125 page report on the Patriots that became the basis for the Giants game plan when they beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Could be a solid replacement for current Director of Pro Scouting Mark Koncz and possibly even serve as a guy Gettleman could groom to be his eventual replacement.

(Giants.com bio)

Joe Collins, Executive Scout

Collins has actually been in the scouting game even longer than Gettleman. He has 40 years of experience doing both college and pro scouting. From 1999-2001 he was Director of Player Personnel for the newly re-formed Cleveland Browns. He could hold the same role here if the Panthers decided to recreate that position (which, in my opinion, would be a good idea).

(Giants.com bio)

Jeremiah Davis / Steve Verderosa, Executive Scouts

Two more guys each having 25 years of scouting experience. Davis was once a coach and a recruiter in the college ranks. Verderosa previously worked in the scouting department of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Should the Panthers decide to part with with current Director of College Scouting Don Gregory, either of these two might be considered as a viable replacement.

(Giants.com bio - Davis)

(Giants.com bio - Verderosa)

To be clear, the Giants would have to give permission for any interviews. Also should be noted that there are plenty of other names to consider from the Giants and other teams where Gettleman has worked. Regardless, these are a few names to start a discussion of what other changes the front office might see.

Outstanding work MrScot.

Damn, if I owned a business I would hire your ass.

BTW, you are Scottish, correct?

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I go into that a bit above, but yes, I imagine they would. They've dealt with outside analysis before, and that's fine. I think that could become a standard in the same way that teams share scouting info from BLESTO or National Scouting. But some of that has to be crunched internally, proprietary information that you can't also get by having $30 worth of membership to PFF.

by the way, as a followup, the Giants' analytics guy is Joe Berger, director of football information. He was with the Knicks prior to the Giants, and it's not something that requires you to be a long-standing member of the football world.

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Seriously can we combo our Gettleman with a side of Ross?

That would be a coup so immense I can't think of anything that would metaphorically do the sheer immenseness of that justice to compare it to

I would sht my pants tomorrow at work if I read this came true.

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By heritage. Born and raised in West Virginia :lol:

Edinburgh Scot here. Born in Georgia and raised in Georgia, Louisiana, California, Florida, Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina, back to Texas, back to Cali, Colorado and now live in the great state of Norf Kakolaki.

I have never worn a kilt.

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Not arguing that other teams use more people than the panthers do, but obviously those websites just publicly list more positions than the panthers do. (The panthers have more than 1 athletic trainer for example). I'm sure there are plenty of scouts that work for the panthers and aren't listed just like other departments only list the directors.

I can give ya a quick "apples to apples" comparison of who they do list.

The Panthers list eight names under the heading of "Football Operations". The Giants list six. However, some of the titles the Panthers include under that umbrella are things like "video director, equipment manager, and head trainer." Not true "football people". Titles of that sort are listed in separate areas of the Giants directory.

Of the five names remaining, one is cap analyst Rob Rogers (official title: Director of Team Administration) and the other is Brandon Beane, whom we know from prior stories was actually a logistics guy.

That leaves only three true "football guys" (GM, Director of College Scouting and Director of Pro Scouting). By contrast, pretty much all of the titles listed by the Giants are football related. Add in that while we know College Scouting Director Don Gregory has people underneath him (around 8 or so based on what I've read and heard) Pro Scouting Director Mark Koncz is a staff of one. Go back to the Giants, look down the page a little and you'll see thirteen people listed with either pro or college scouting titles.

Worth noting that if you move down the list to the "Business Operations" department, there are eleven names listed. So eleven people paid to handle the business end of things, while less than half as many are assigned to manage the building of the team that generates that business.

And regarding that medical staff, Ryan Vermillion does indeed have an assistant trainer who isn't listed. If you browse down to the "medical" section of the Giants page, you'll find they have a staff of sixteen. That includes six team doctors, a team dentist and even a team neurosurgeon.

Bottom Line: It's an organizational structure that not well structured for the goal of producing a football team that can win a Super Bowl.

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Edinburgh Scot here. Born in Georgia and raised in Georgia, Louisiana, California, Florida, Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina, back to Texas, back to Cali, Colorado and now live in the great state of Norf Kakolaki.

I have never worn a kilt.

Clan Douglas. Plan to order a kilt as soon as I have 600 dollars to set aside for that sort of thing :lol:

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I can give ya a quick "apples to apples" comparison of who they do list.

The Panthers list eight names under the heading of "Football Operations". The Giants list six. However, some of the titles the Panthers include under that umbrella are things like "video director, equipment manager, and head trainer." Not true "football people". Titles of that sort are listed in separate areas of the Giants directory.

Of the five names remaining, one is cap analyst Rob Rogers (official title: Director of Team Administration) and the other is Brandon Beane, whom we know from prior stories was actually a logistics guy.

That leaves only three true "football guys" (GM, Director of College Scouting and Director of Pro Scouting). By contrast, pretty much all of the titles listed by the Giants are football related. Add in that while we know College Scouting Director Don Gregory has people underneath him (around 8 or so based on what I've read and heard) Pro Scouting Director Mark Koncz is a staff of one. Go back to the Giants, look down the page a little and you'll see thirteen people listed with either pro or college scouting titles.

Worth noting that if you move down the list to the "Business Operations" department, there are eleven names listed. So eleven people paid to handle the business end of things, while less than half as many are assigned to manage the building of the team that generates that business.

Bottom Line: It's an organizational structure that not well structured for the goal of producing a football team that can win a Super Bowl.

Koncz is technically a staff of two (Ken Dorsey as of last year) that I'm aware of.

He's got a point that the Giants list their guys, so you know. But, Carolina definitely underdoes it, whether they've hidden a guy or two or not .

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