Don't Cut DW!

[Kevin Greene]

Anyone who watched the Panthers over the past few years should notice Stewart is just more efficient overall than Williams.

Let's compare apples to apples.

Since 2008 DWill has averaged 5.0 YPC, Stewart 4.7 YPC.

So Dwill is more efficient.

[bleys]

Those 13 games were in 7 years versus Stewart's 5 years. So that is why I used the same time frame.

If you compare attempts it is the same. Stewart has missed only one less game but has 100 fewer attempts.

Williams in the past 5 years has carried the ball 904 times in the past 5 years and missed 10 games.

Stewart has carried the ball 818 times in the past five years and missed 9 games. Williams ran the ball a hundred more times and missed 1 more game. More starts, more attempts with similar missed games. That is why people think Williams is more durable. Plus he is a more explosive home run hitter.

Williams also missed 3 games in 2009.. 13 in 4 years..

so he ran the ball 100 more times and got injured 4 extra games.. Sounds about right.

[SmootsDaddy89]

How about we just cut both of them since neither of them have performed to the level of their pay.

[Marguide]

When facing a 3rd and short, do you want the back who can consistently get you 5-6 yards a carry? Or do you want to cross your fingers that your back will either break off a long run, or more realistically, get stuffed short of the first down?

That's why we have Tolbert.

[panthers55]

lol...

2011 - viewed by some as a top 3 rush attack in NFL history. #1 in ypc in 2011 with the most TDs.

Stewart averaged 8 carries per game

Williams 9 carries per game

Newton 7 carries per game

That is in the books. Crazy, huh?

The fact they are drastically overpaid for the carries we have available is the issue. For a RB to earn his check in this offense....one must go

That was total yards which is based on yards per carry not attempts. We were 14th in carries which is what you are referencing. You can't assume we would do that well every year and this year shows that what we did in 2011 may be a fluke. Our yards per carry were lower by everyone you mentioned in your post by quite a bit.

[CRA]

Good observation but Stewart hasn't run a lot of carries because foxy knew he wouldn't hold up. For steaks to stay in pain while getting a lot less carries is saying it all in itself.

For the record, from 2008-2010 ( Double Trouble under Fox)

Stewart had more rush attempts than Williams

[Kevin Greene]

Williams also missed 3 games in 2009.. 13 in 4 years..

You may remember DWill was put on IR that year after week 13 with a sprained ankle becasue the Panthers were 5-8 and out of Playoff contention early once again.

Stewart was given the opportunity to match the 1100 yards Dwill had already put in the books for one bright spot in another dismal season.

I recall the talk being DWill could have stayed active but there was no point. Trivial yes, but relevant since we're nitpicking games missed.

[bleys]

You may remember DWill was put on IR that year after week 13 with a sprained ankle becasue the Panthers were 5-8 and out of Playoff contention early once again.

Stewart was given the opportunity to match the 1100 yards Dwill had already put in the books for one bright spot in another dismal season.

I recall the talk being DWill could have stayed active but there was no point. Trivial yes, but relevant since we're nitpicking games missed.

Just dont see your absolute conclusion here.

In 7 years DWill has averaged missing 2.3 games per year.

In 5 years Stew has averaged missing 1.8 games per year.

Half a game per year makes DWill "that guy"?

Stewart has been fragile his entire career.

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Extreme caution moving forward and be ready for disappointment if the every day load is handed Stew's way.

how can you say DWill isn't the guy when the guy you're saying is fragile is comparable.. Yet only getting older and missed more games in the last 4 years than the younger fella..

[MasterAwesome]

Let's compare apples to apples.

Since 2008 DWill has averaged 5.0 YPC, Stewart 4.7 YPC.

So Dwill is more efficient.

Very good....read past the first line lol. Stewart can make plays on his own, regularly grinding out 5 or 6 yards on each carry (I'm not referring to the YPC STAT, but to each run individually) whereas Williams benefits from the occasional big run to boost his average. They might both equate to a roughly 5.0 YPC average, but I'll take the 5 yards each time as opposed to the 7 carries for no gain followed by the 40-yarder.

[ThunderKatt]

R

40 yard plays are game changers.

[panthers55]

Actually DWill has missed 13 games to Stewarts 9... and let's skip past this "games started" talk and get a little more relevant when you compare Attempts..

with that said, I just find it funny people have actually stated they would rather have DWill/Tolbert over Stewart/Tolbert, because Stewart gets hurt a lot..

Prior to this year, Stewart missed 2 games and played through pain.

The fact that he has had all these issues with his ankle and foot is a red flag. Williams has 100 more carries over that time and has proven to be a bigger game changer. Again why keep saying prior to this year about Stewart as if it doesn't count. That is like saying other than 2010, Williams has been healthy except for 3 games in the last 5 years. They all count.

[CRA]

That was total yards which is based on yards per carry not attempts. We were 14th in carries which is what you are referencing. You can't assume we would do that well every year and this year shows that what we did in 2011 may be a fluke. Our yards per carry were lower by everyone you mentioned in your post by quite a bit.

Fact is....all 3 runners in 2011 averaged less than 10 rushes per game. Don't need to lean on one guy....they did exactly what was claimed was comical.

Our run game sucked this year bc our OL was poo. Doesn't matter who is in your backfield with crappy OL play. Carolina's G play was a joke....reason they like Stewart ideally is bc the offense is designed for runs between the tackles. Run game didn't go backwards bc of who is in the backfield.....but how sad we where between the tackles. DeAngelo didn't average 1 yard per rush against Oak or 0 against Tampa bc he sucks...or Chud sucks. OL sucked and we could run simple plays

[panthers55]

For the record, from 2008-2010 ( Double Trouble under Fox)

Stewart had more rush attempts than Williams

While were going there, if Rivera thinks that Stewart is better, then why did Williams have 328 carries to Stewart's 235 in 2011 and 2012?? Couldn't be because Williams was hurt in 2010 and Stewart was hurt in 2012.

Talk about selective skewed stats. Seriously??????

[bleys]

The fact that he has had all these issues with his ankle and foot is a red flag. Williams has 100 more carries over that time and has proven to be a bigger game changer. Again why keep saying prior to this year about Stewart as if it doesn't count. That is like saying other than 2010, Williams has been healthy except for 3 games in the last 5 years. They all count.

because people seem to think DWill hasn't missed 13 games in 4 years...