Don't Cut DW!

[CRA]

Williams ran the ball 155 times in 2011 and 173 times in 2012. Assuming that Newton stays the same and he should, and Tolbert gets similar to this year given we have only 1 year of data. How do you figure Stewart runs the ball 10 times a game for 160 attempts. Between the 2 of them they ran the ball

297 times last year. Stewart ran it 144 times by himself last year. If Stewart is the only one here he gets the majority of those carries. He has never carried the ball more than 221 times. And hasn't approached close to 200 carries under Rivera.

Where do you your crazy math???

Math isn't crazy. I clearly said Tolbert would/should get a much bigger role if Williams left. Prior to coming here....he averaged the same type load Stewart/Williams had recieved the 2 prior seasons....and we bring in a cheap RB.

You think a Chud offense with Cam, Stewart, Tolbert AND a young cheap RB is going to put too big of a workload on a rusher? We will still be complaining they don't run them enough

[Kevin Greene]

See P55's sig. :D

[CRA]

If you are tired of this then stop posting. I bet you won't because you always need the last word.

I enjoy debating you...I give those I don't enjoy hearing there thoughts the last word.

[Marguide]

Yes, as I said Stewart was more diverse and this isn't Foxball. Rivera wants Stewart over Williams bc he can do MORE.

This has been a theme for you for much of the year. Everytime I see it, I wonder what are these things Stew can do that DWill can't?

Could you elaborate on that?

[iamhubby1]

This has been a theme for you for much of the year. Everytime I see it, I wonder what are these things Stew can do that DWill can't?

Could you elaborate on that?

It's the same arguement every time. Stewy is the better blocker, more consistent runner, and doesn't go down on first contact. Oh, and evidently he fits this offense better.

The only one of those that is true? He does get his positive yards. DWill does have those runs that stall quickly, but, with his speed and agility, any run can be an explosive play. Stewy, not so much.

Stewy used to be the better blocker, not so much anymore.

DWill does not go down on first contact, otherwise he wouldn't be running up the middle.

Tolbert is another Stewy. DWill is the change of pace. It would screw with the dynamics to get rid of DWill and not Stewy.

There is more to gain by letting DWill go financially. But he is a better option football wise.

CRA is just a Stewy fan. Can't hate him for that. But you ain't changing his mind on who we need to keep.

[Kevin Greene]

It's the same arguement every time.........

I'd like DWill, Stew and Tolbert a hellova lot more if they all weren't being given such a big slice of the Cap Pie.

Hate Hurney though, not these guys who had a fat contract shoved under their noses by an idiot GM.

I know what I would do.

[tukafan21]

What's with everyone saying Stewart can't hold up, yea he is dinged up at times, but who in the NFL isn't?

Before this season he had only missed a total of 2 games in 4 years

[CRA]

CRA is just a Stewy fan. Can't hate him for that. But you ain't changing his mind on who we need to keep.

Just to be clear, when we paid Williams I supported parting with Stewart after 2011. My biggest soapbox was Carolina needed to pick a RB. Now, I always thought that should of been Stewart but once they paid Williams, Stewart should of not been kept.

I am a fan of paying 1 RB and that doesn't really even excite me. New scheme, Cam, Tolbert all those things just backed the fact Carolina just needed to pick one.

[MHS831]

I read the first page and have not read where this thread went because I saw people trying to turn it into a pissing contest. Anybody who thinks the last 4 games of the season against some terrible defenses is a good measure to keep a 30+ year old RB needs to research the history of the running back in the NFL.

Invest in the offensive line and the RBs can be average. Do not forget, we have a QB and a FB who are our best 2 running backs.

We should not have a RB on a second contract. They are role players. Hurney's dumbest contract moves were the re-signing of Jake Delhomme, Charles Godfrey, and giving DW and Stew a ton of cash to split 25 carries a game. We literally had an idiot as our last GM.

Put the $$ into the offensive line and go with Tauren Poole and a 4th round rookie at RB. The numbers at RB will be the same as they have been or better than they were with "Double Trouble" (which is exactly what their contracts are).

[ncmonzta]

I read the first page and have not read where this thread went because I saw people trying to turn it into a pissing contest. Anybody who thinks the last 4 games of the season against some terrible defenses is a good measure to keep a 30+ year old RB needs to research the history of the running back in the NFL.

Invest in the offensive line and the RBs can be average. Do not forget, we have a QB and a FB who are our best 2 running backs.

We should not have a RB on a second contract. They are role players. Hurney's dumbest contract moves were the re-signing of Jake Delhomme, Charles Godfrey, and giving DW and Stew a ton of cash to split 25 carries a game. We literally had an idiot as our last GM.

Put the $$ into the offensive line and go with Tauren Poole and a 4th round rookie at RB. The numbers at RB will be the same as they have been or better than they were with "Double Trouble" (which is exactly what their contracts are).

If we're talking which back gives us the best bang for our buck you have to go with DWILL. Even though DWill is 29 he will last much longer than Stew as a feature back. It's well known Stew is injury prone and has been since we drafted him. He only has been healthy for as long as he has because he split carries with Dwill and Dwill got the majority over the years. The last time Dwill went on IR was because of a ankle sprain during a lame duck season. I'm pretty sure he could of came back later that year if the team was actually playing to win. I don't get why it's so hard for CRa and a few others to see that Dwill is way more explosive. The only reason his numbers are so low is because of his limited number of carries per game, dumb play calls and poor o-line. CRA acts like Jstew has been rushing over 100 yards a game all season. I also don't downplay Dwills last game because it was against the worst D in the league. I dont feel like researching, but can anyone tell me how many other backs rushed for over 200 yards against them this season?

[X-Clown]

I dont feel like researching, but can anyone tell me how many other backs rushed for over 200 yards against them this season?

Only one other back and that was Jamaal Charles for 233 yards on 33 carries

[CRA]

If we're talking which back gives us the best bang for our buck you have to go with DWILL. Even though DWill is 29 he will last much longer than Stew as a feature back. It's well known Stew is injury prone and has been since we drafted him. He only has been healthy for as long as he has because he split carries with Dwill and Dwill got the majority over the years. The last time Dwill went on IR was because of a ankle sprain during a lame duck season. I'm pretty sure he could of came back later that year if the team was actually playing to win. I don't get why it's so hard for CRa and a few others to see that Dwill is way more explosive. The only reason his numbers are so low is because of his limited number of carries per game, dumb play calls and poor o-line. CRA acts like Jstew has been rushing over 100 yards a game all season. I also don't downplay Dwills last game because it was against the worst D in the league. I dont feel like researching, but can anyone tell me how many other backs rushed for over 200 yards against them this season?

from this point forward, you need to refer to him as 30. He will never play another snap at 29.

I simply act like paying 2 RBs is retarded. Retarded without a Tolbert and a running QB the league has never seen the likes of also on the roster. Doesn't matter which 2. Some people can't get past that and just want to launch into a why Williams is awesome and therefore overpaying RBs is cool arguement.

you don't want to discuss how DWill looked like X against the worst D in NFL history and Y against everyone else?

I am not sure how many 200 yard RBs there were....put they allowed more yard in general in NFL history. It means big yardage against them isn't much to brag about

[Wyank]

So tired of this argument that I'm ready to drop them both and go with Smith, Poole, and Tolbert.

[Chimera]

Okay...look at that same window minus the game against the worst D in the NFL history. 3.4 yards per carry....that ain't killin it.

You take the good with the bad, man. Why not take away the bad games and just say he averaged 10 yards a carry?

Despite people believing one RB is a power back and one is a finesse back, both do better in a power running game. We don't really use them to their strengths. Both struggle running from shotgun behind a poor OL who isn't always sure where to open a hole (due to the multitude of option plays).

I love the combo. They are great together. But we have to face facts: they are overpaid - ridiculously overpaid when you factor our offensive scheme. I would love to keep both, but we can't.

Both have their strengths - Stewart punishes defensive players. He can also get you consistent positive yardage better than Williams. DWill can break one off anytime. He also gets better as the game goes on - huge when you're known for blowing leads.