Are the Panthers attractive to a GM prospect?

[MHS831]

Beane being a secondary prospect and already in house gives him the edge. See loyalty above. All things point to him being our guy.

I agreed with everything you said, except this. However, the reasons I disagree come from assumptions formed beyond the scope of your argument, so the validity of facts that formed my bias are acknowledged to be questionable.

The word on the street: Panthers want a guy with a strong scouting background.

Triple negative: Not hiring Beane does not mean that they are not being loyal to him.

Extensive list of interviews being scheduled: Would we have so many names on our list of candidates to interview and would we have hired Ernie Occorsi (sp?) to retain Beane?

Experience matters: We have a coach with 2 year of experience, young coordinators. Heck, our team President has limited experience in the NFL. Do we really need a rookie GM from Norwood with limited experience in player personnel to be evaluating talent, brokering trades, and working with the cap?

Beane learned what he knows from Marty Hurney, who was fired in October.

Beane scares me to death.

[DaCityKats]

Well, many of the recent Superbowl champs have had GMs who didn't hire the HCs.

which ones? Giants, Packers, Steelers, and Saints HC where all hired by teams consisting of the owner but as well as the GM.

[Anybodyhome]

"The other names have only recently come out, but had they declined, yes we would have heard."

Knowing this organization as well as you do, how can you say this with any certainty?

Please remember that the only legitimate source for any information is the same guy who claimed not to know who Harbaugh was a couple years ago during the same presser he drew us the pie chart.

Scenario:

JR to Morrison: "Call this guy, this guy, this guy and this guy. See if they'd be interested in a GM job."

Morrison to JR: "Okay, three of the 4 are interested in talking."

JR: "Call 'em back, see when we can get together."

Released: "We're interviewing this guy and this guy."

Bottom line: It serves no purpose to say anything about anyone who declined an interview, and I don't think the front office would do so unless JR told them to. And why would he do that when all it may accomplish is plant a seed of doubt in someone's mind who may be on the interview list. You don't think all these GMs play golf together and talk?

[CRA]

which ones? Giants, Packers, Steelers, and Saints HC where all hired by teams consisting of the owner but as well as the GM.

Those GMs were given a HC. They didn't hire their own guy

[Cyberjag]

It takes all the pressure off the GM to decide the coaching piece while he fixes the cap and get the lay of the land. No matter what Rivera does, he is looking good. Gets to keep him if he is successful or can him and bring in another guy when he is ready to make wholesale changes. He will be seen as decisive if he pulls the trigger and successful if we have a winning season. Richardson has always let the GM manage the money and players. He has people like Morrison to oversee things and provide guidance.

This is the upside to JR opting to keep Rivera--it gives an incoming GM a pass on the first season.

Regardless of what people may think of JR and the way the Panthers are run, if you want to be a GM, you have a choice of six franchises. If you compare them to the Panthers, here's what you see, in what I think is descending order of desirability:

Chargers: Probably the most desirable of landing spots. There's a troubling lack of talent on defense, but that can be fixed through free agency and the draft over the next couple of seasons. There's a patient owner, a franchise quarterback, and you get to pick the coach.

Cardinals: There's a great defense in place and you get to choose your coach. The offense needs a lot of work.

Chiefs: Your coach has been chosen for you and will want final say over personnel, but at least you know he's good. Your starting QB is a journeyman. On the bright side, there's talent on defense and the franchise has a decent history.

Browns: You might have a franchise quarterback, but it's more likely you have Weinke 2.0. There's talent and a passionate fan base, and there's a rich history. Unfortunately, it's pretty much a losing history.

Jags: There's talent, but the team sorely needs a franchise quarterback (Gabbert isn't it). You get to choose your coach. There's a real challenge regarding the overall franchise stability, because of lackluster attendance, so you may end up in LA at some point.

Jets: You get a terrible owner, a coach who won't cooperate with you, no quarterback, and the New York media to contend with. What's not to love?

Looking at that list, I think that the Panthers come in 2nd or 3rd. San Diego is going to be the preferred landing spot of a lot of aspiring GMs, IMHO.

[Mr. Scot]

"The other names have only recently come out, but had they declined, yes we would have heard."

Knowing this organization as well as you do, how can you say this with any certainty?

Please remember that the only legitimate source for any information is the same guy who claimed not to know who Harbaugh was a couple years ago during the same presser he drew us the pie chart.

How about because the guys we're interviewing don't work for this organization yet.

What reason would their current employers have to suppress news that they're declining interviews elsewhere?

Heck, most teams trumpet that sort of thing ("See that? We're so great people want to stay with us rather than get promoted with other teams.")

[Anybodyhome]

Well, many of the recent Superbowl champs have had GMs who didn't hire the HCs.

Just because you hire a new GM doesn't mean you have to hire a new HC.

Ernie Accorsi hired Tom Coughlin. Were they supposed to fire Tom Coughlin when Jerry Reese took over for Accorsi?

[DaCityKats]

Those GMs were given a HC. They didn't hire their own guy

Sean Payton

This is the first coach hired by current general manager Mickey Loomis, who was promoted after team owner Tom Benson fired Randy Mueller in 2002. Mueller, now the Miami Dolphins' GM, hired Haslett

.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=2295741

Mike McCarthy

Packers general manager Ted Thompson chose San Francisco 49ers offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy to be the team's new coach, with an official announcement coming Thursday afternoon.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=2288985

Mike Tomlin

But Mr. Tomlin thoroughly impressed the Steelers' three-man search committee -- president Art Rooney, chairman Dan Rooney and football operations director Kevin Colbert -- in his first interview, and he immediately became a serious candidate.

http://www.post-gaze.../#ixzz2HDehfx9J

Tom Coughlin

So it was with great confidence that Ernie Accorsi and I recommended to my father and Bob Tisch in 2004 that we hire Tom

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the GM or future GM where all involved with hiring the coach. now do we know thats what Jerry was doing all week asking the GM porspects what they thought of Rivera , no. but i hope so.

[rayzor]

I think Zod's trolling a little with that last line.

i know...at least i hope.

kind of surprised that wh*re was bleeped out.

[Davis83]

If I was a GM, it'd be mighty hard to pass up unlimited Bojangles on game day.

[Anybodyhome]

How about because the guys we're interviewing don't work for this organization yet.

What reason would their current employers have to suppress news that they're declining interviews elsewhere?

Heck, most teams trumpet that sort of thing ("See that? We're so great people want to stay with us rather than get promoted with other teams.")

The very opposite reason is just as likely. Perhaps because guys choosing not to be interviewed don't work here, either.

Teams are only required to request permission from a team when:

* That team is still in their post-season or has not finished their schedule.

* The person being interviewed is seeking a promotion.

If a GM is seeking a lateral move as GM from one team to another, permission is not required unless the team is still playing its scheduled games.

Obviously, this is also dependent upon the contract status of the interviewee. In other words, if JR wanted to interview Mike Tannenbaum, now that he's out of work, he doesn't have to say anything to anyone. Who knows, Ernie Accorsi might be the guy.

[Mr. Scot]

The very opposite reason is just as likely. Perhaps because guys choosing not to be interviewed don't work here, either.

Teams are only required to request permission from a team when:

* That team is still in their post-season or has not finished their schedule.

* The person being interviewed is seeking a promotion.

If a GM is seeking a lateral move as GM from one team to another, permission is not required unless the team is still playing its scheduled games.

Obviously, this is also dependent upon the contract status of the interviewee. In other words, if JR wanted to interview Mike Tannenbaum, now that he's out of work, he doesn't have to say anything to anyone. Who knows, Ernie Accorsi might be the guy.

You're making a reach that Mister Fantastic would have trouble with here.

We're not looking at existing GMs, so I'm not sure why you included that bit.

The Jets, Jaguars and Chargers have all had prospects decline to interview. Eric DeCosta preemptively declined everybody. All of it was publicized.

Down here, we've made four requests. All were publicized. Our confirmed interviews are public knowledge as well (Gettleman Monday, Ross Tuesday).

You can continue to believe that there's some super secret sneakiness going on if you want to, but there's really nothing to support it.

[thefuzz]

Honestly I would think that the pecking order would be.

Chargers

Chiefs

Panthers

Each one has their issues, but those three all have some talent, and either great locations or great fan bases.

Chargers have their QB, and a young but talented D, a great location, but a really poor stadium situation.

Chiefs have a great fan base, and a great HC, not the best location, and no QB.

Panthers have their QB, and some pieces of talent, but will be hamstrung a bit by the cap, but play in a great location.

[Mr. Scot]

Hard to believe any team is a bigger Mongolian Cluster @#$% than the Jets right now. And new owner aside, the Browns are perpetual losers.

Even those teams have interested candidates.