Are the Panthers attractive to a GM prospect?

[Goondal]

I would say it is somewhere in the middle based on appeal. There two major positives are that previous GMs have been given lots of opportunity to suceed and, more importantly, there is a young centerpiece on both sides of the ball to build around. There is a mess with some of the contracts and there are certainly better jobs out there, but it is hardly one that nobody would want.

As far as "an overall tradition of losing" I would have to disagree. We have had a tough couple of years but the franchise has just as many ten win seasons as it has ten loss seasons. Most years are 7-9 or 8-8. I would say we have an overall tradition of mediocrity.

[Cyberjag]

I think it isn't as appealing as the GM job in Atlanta or Green Bay would be, but on reflection it's probably the most appealing opening out there.

[Anybodyhome]

No GM worth a damn wants to work with a meddling owner who despite not being a "football guy" makes critical football based decisions.

We cant draw a quality GM for the same reasons the Cowgirls cant and the Raiders couldnt when Al was alive.

A former NFL player with a Super Bowl ring isn't a "football guy?" Am I missing something?

Edit: The 1959 NFL Championship Game

Neither the Raiders nor the Cowboys ever looked for a GM under Jones or Davis since they are/were both owner and GM, established in their respective corporations as such and hold the title. Again, Am I missing something?

[KendrickPanther]

JR is so old he played before there was Super Bowls.

[Anybodyhome]

I honestly do not understand how someone on this board can, without hesitation, state the GM job is "appealing" when you simply have no idea what the owner of the team mandates and just how much control he has over personnel decisions.

This I can tell you- firing Hurney when he did, and not hiring a new GM before announcing to everyone Rivera will be staying is, to me, a pretty strong indication that JR is a helluva lot more involved in personnel decisions than most people thought.

How "appealing" is the job if JR tells the next GM he has to keep Gross, Gamble, Beason and a handful of other major cap liabilities while at the same time telling Rivera he better make the playoffs or else? That's like telling the pizza delivery kid with 2 flat tires and only 1 spare that he needs to finish his runs.

[Cyberjag]

I honestly do not understand how someone on this board can, without hesitation, state the GM job is "appealing" when you simply have no idea what the owner of the team mandates and just how much control he has over personnel decisions.

This I can tell you- firing Hurney when he did, and not hiring a new GM before announcing to everyone Rivera will be staying is, to me, a pretty strong indication that JR is a helluva lot more involved in personnel decisions than most people thought.

How "appealing" is the job if JR tells the next GM he has to keep Gross, Gamble, Beason and a handful of other major cap liabilities while at the same time telling Rivera he better make the playoffs or else? That's like telling the pizza delivery kid with 2 flat tires and only 1 spare that he needs to finish his runs.

Sure, but if you want to be a GM, what opening right now is better than the Panthers'?

[panthers55]

Look at us compared to Cleveland, Jacksonville or Arizona for example. Are they going to win anytime soon? It is very possible we have a winning year next year. We can get under the cap getting rid of some guys who were not the biggest contributors like Gamble.

If the job of a GM is to turn the team into a winning franchise, we are closer than a number of teams who canned GMs. Once the Philly job and the Jets job get settled, we would be the next most attractive.

[Anybodyhome]

Sure, but if you want to be a GM, what opening right now is better than the Panthers'?

Without knowing the owners and the mandate they have moving forward, who's to say? That's why they all interview with multiple teams, so they can make that decision for themselves.

Who knows, there may be a team out there with a terrible history of success, but with an owner who is willing to give total autonomy to the new GM. In some respects, that job may be more appealing because at least the GM knows the success or failure of the team was, for the most part, of his own doing.

[KendrickPanther]

I honestly do not understand how someone on this board can, without hesitation, state the GM job is "appealing" when you simply have no idea what the owner of the team mandates and just how much control he has over personnel decisions.

This I can tell you- firing Hurney when he did, and not hiring a new GM before announcing to everyone Rivera will be staying is, to me, a pretty strong indication that JR is a helluva lot more involved in personnel decisions than most people thought.

How "appealing" is the job if JR tells the next GM he has to keep Gross, Gamble, Beason and a handful of other major cap liabilities while at the same time telling Rivera he better make the playoffs or else? That's like telling the pizza delivery kid with 2 flat tires and only 1 spare that he needs to finish his runs.

Yeah if all that is true it would be awful but it's just conjecture at this point.

[Anybodyhome]

Yeah if all that is true it would be awful but it's just conjecture at this point.

That's the point I'm trying to make. Simply playing devil's advocate because the entire Huddle population seems to be wearing their rose colored glasses.

Nobody wants to even think about the other side of the coin. Everyone is so enamored with the Panthers being a winning franchise and that Jerry Richardson wants to win at all costs... blah, blah, blah... nobody knows.

Yet they'll stand right here and tell you there is no better job in the NFL than being the GM of the Carolina Panthers... without ever having spoken to the guy who's going to sign your paycheck.

[Cyberjag]

Look at us compared to Cleveland, Jacksonville or Arizona for example. Are they going to win anytime soon? It is very possible we have a winning year next year. We can get under the cap getting rid of some guys who were not the biggest contributors like Gamble.

If the job of a GM is to turn the team into a winning franchise, we are closer than a number of teams who canned GMs. Once the Philly job and the Jets job get settled, we would be the next most attractive.

Philly doesn't have a QB, and in New York you're stuck with Ryan, and again you don't have the QB.

I really think that despite Jerry's meddling, Carolina is more likely than any of the others to set a new GM up for success. Even if they lose next year, it can be blamed on Rivera. And we have serious young talent.

[Anybodyhome]

"...and in New York you're stuck with Ryan..."

and what, exactly is the difference between Jets owner Woody Johnson announcing Ryan is staying and Panthers owner Jerry Richardson saying Rivera is staying? None...absolutely no difference. Big difference in personalities and possibly a big difference in ownership philosophies, but the bottom line is the same- the owners made a GM-type decision before hiring their next GM.

And what happens if the Jets are willing to pay $2M a year more for a GM than Richardson will? Is someone going to tell me the Panthers job is still more attractive?

[Cyberjag]

No difference, but do you really think Ryan can possibly be easier to work with than Rivera? I get what you're saying, but that doesn't mean Carolina isn't relatively more attractive than New York.

[Anybodyhome]

No difference, but do you really think Ryan can possibly be easier to work with than Rivera? I get what you're saying, but that doesn't mean Carolina isn't relatively more attractive than New York.

Again, my point exactly. The fact that the coaching decision is now a moot point based upon the owner's decision, I'm taking the job which offers me the best compensation package regardless because I can always lay the performance of the team at the feet of the coach.

Let's not forget the GM is a contract position unlike players- it's guaranteed no matter what. So, if I'm a prospective GM and I know I'm stuck with Ryan or Rivera (also guaranteed contracts) for at least one more year, I'll go wherever they make me the best offer knowing that maybe I'll have some say in who the next coach is.

Let's face it- Tannenbaum wasn't fired because Sanchez isn't very good, nor was Hurney fired because Rivera is not a great coach. I think they were both let go for 2 reasons- to give the fanbase a reason to hope for a better future and because they probably both put their teams in salary cap hell.