Cut or Keep

[DangerClose]

TRADE:

1. D Will - still has excellent value, might could get two decent draft picks for him, or one rather high one

2. Beason - LB position is solid, although not sure how many years TD has left, still could probably get a solid draft pick and a decent backup for depth with the trade

3. Gamble - trade for younger, less expensive corner with more upside.

CUT:

1. Clausen - no value to team

2. AE - no value to team

3. Ron Edwards - injured, no real impact

KEEP:

1. Derek Anderson - you need a solid backup in case Cam, God forbid, goes down. DA is proven

[MadHatter]

TRADE:

1. D Will - still has excellent value, might could get two decent draft picks for him, or one rather high one

2. Beason - LB position is solid, although not sure how many years TD has left, still could probably get a solid draft pick and a decent backup for depth with the trade

3. Gamble - trade for younger, less expensive corner with more upside.

CUT:

1. Clausen - no value to team

2. AE - no value to team

3. Ron Edwards - injured, no real impact

KEEP:

1. Derek Anderson - you need a solid backup in case Cam, God forbid, goes down. DA is proven

I will give you that Ron was injured a few games this year. With that and his age, I do think he is at risk.

But if you watched games with and without him in there and think there is "no real impact", you are an idiot.

The DL was much stronger with him in.

[DangerClose]

I will give you that Ron was injured a few games this year. With that and his age, I do think he is at risk.

But if you watched games with and without him in there and think there is "no real impact", you are an idiot.

The DL was much stronger with him in.

agreed. i probably should have put "future impact potential is limited"

more along the lines of what i meant

[Marguide]

I will give you that Ron was injured a few games this year. With that and his age, I do think he is at risk.

But if you watched games with and without him in there and think there is "no real impact", you are an idiot.

The DL was much stronger with him in.

Kearse was playing pretty well at the end of the year. I don't see him as a big drop off from Ron. Unfortunately, he couldn't play every snap. We would spell him with Fua, and bad things would happen.

[MHS831]

To me, you do not extend declining players. Cut Gross.

What does cutting him save us vs. the cap? Nearly all of his salary is unguaranteed.

What could we do with that money? (draft a LT, sign a stud RG and Safety) We could upgrade 3 positions and not guarantee money to a 33-year old lineman.

[CRA]

To me, you do not extend declining players. Cut Gross.

What does cutting him save us vs. the cap? Nearly all of his salary is unguaranteed.

What could we do with that money? (draft a LT, sign a stud RG and Safety) We could upgrade 3 positions and not guarantee money to a 33-year old lineman.

I generally agree with that.

But I think you make an exception for the OL. Cam Newton needs all the protection he can get. Gross has diversity.

Get rid of Gross you need to go out and get two starters for the OL at LT and RG. We don't have the draft picks to fill all the needs

[mountainpantherfan2]

Ok guys I have been doing some research all day and here is what I have come up with. Not trying to say I'm 100% accurate on any if this so if I'm not let me know.

So the total cap # for the Panthers at the start of the 2013 season is $133,835,754 with total contracts adding up to $136,235,754. Only the top 53 contracts count towards the cap at the start of the off season. So also remember a cut will also be replaced with a player with the league min of $480k.

There are currently 75 players on the roster but only 58 are under contract for 2013. 21 of those have a cap# over $1 million. 5 are between $750k and $1 million. 22 are between $500k and $750k. And 10 are between $480k and $500k.

The players that can save the most cap space by cutting them are as followed: D Edwards $3,650,000; R Edwards $2,100,000; C Gamble $7,950,000; Jordan Gross $2,700,000; G Hangartner $1,575,000; H Nakamura $966,677; G Williams $900,000. That is a total of $19,841,677 and a net of $17,441,677 in cap savings after counting the next 5 highest contacts after cutting these players. That would put the cap at $116,394,077.

I wish I could write down all the info I gathered but I'm posting from an iPhone so it's not an easy task.

I'm going to now look into trading options on some of the higher paid players and will post those findings. Also I'm not suggesting to cut the above players only stating the cap savings that would be gained.

[ThunderKatt]

All of you guys saying cut Williams to keep Stewart are talking just to talk. You don't know what you are talking about and I'm starting to think you are trolls. Why cut the best running ba k this franchise has seen for Stewart who came to this team injured and finished the season injured. Deangelo has less money owed out since he had his contract a year longer plus he is more dependable. Aloof you that said he was washed up just saw the numbers he put up while Stewart stood on the sidelines unable to help. I don't get your logics. Smh bigtime.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Cut Everyone, Keep No One #DumpsterFire

[ThunderKatt]

Haruki needs to go as well. Also, its time to resign lafell and munnerlynn. Can't wait to see how this works out.

[MHS831]

I generally agree with that.

But I think you make an exception for the OL. Cam Newton needs all the protection he can get. Gross has diversity.

Get rid of Gross you need to go out and get two starters for the OL at LT and RG. We don't have the draft picks to fill all the needs

I see your logic, and Gross is probably our second best lineman at 33. However, there are a few factors I would have to consider if I were GM:

We have to cut $16m to get under the cap. Only 2 players have a ton of unguaranteed money. Marty Stuck us with the other players we would like to move. Veterans are going to have to be cut or reworked to do this. Reworking contracts invariably pushes the problem into the future. Cutting Gross and Gamble means that we create 2 needs, but my opinion is this: They were needs already. Gross is Ok but diminishing. He will not be better next season than this one because he is aging. Gamble is tremendously overrated (because our opposite CBs have been so bad) and overpaid. Why not replace aging, overpaid players now instead of increasing their guaranteed money to keep them?

If you rework Gamble and Gross money, you still have a ton to cut from somewhere. Now several positions are impacted. Extend everyone by adding to guaranteed money? Hurney II.

We are drafting in the middle of a draft with 4 top OTs who are ready to start in the NFL (Joeckel, Lewan, Fisher, Matthews). Most drafts, like last season, only have one or two. Pass on the OT now, and you find yourself in the same boat as 50% of the NFL teams at any given time--in need of a LT.

I see both strategies and I think the Panthers will do what you suggest.

[hepcat]

I honestly want to know what the difference is in $$ between cutting Jimmy Clausen and resigning Derek Anderson.

[CRA]

All of you guys saying cut Williams to keep Stewart are talking just to talk. You don't know what you are talking about and I'm starting to think you are trolls. Why cut the best running ba k this franchise has seen for Stewart who came to this team injured and finished the season injured. Deangelo has less money owed out since he had his contract a year longer plus he is more dependable. Aloof you that said he was washed up just saw the numbers he put up while Stewart stood on the sidelines unable to help. I don't get your logics. Smh bigtime.

People have short term memories....you forget Williams finished 2009 and 2010 on IR. You forget he will be 30. You forget when this roster is healthy the coaches don't want to run a scheme that fits Williams. You forget how sad Williams was for the majority of the season.

It is simple. You don't pay 2 RBs. No team in NFL history has but us. The fact we did it AND have Newton and Tolbert is even worse than full retard. Mega full retard.

Not about what Williams can do next year at age 30. About why the poo are we paying 2 RBs HUGE sums of money in this offense with the other rushing talent we have.

[jtm]

Would love to keep Gamble but CBs can command and get top dollar now. I don't see him restructuring.