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Mr. Scot

By Mr. Scot,
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Herbert The Love Bug Newbie

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I kinda feel bad for Rivera. He is in a really shitty situation right now.

Jerry told him after Hurney was gone that the team better improve. The team went on the finish 6-4 after that talk. So, in way, it'd be a little messed up if JR let him go. However, if Rivera does stay he is going to have a very rough test. Why? Because the GM is going to come in a clear out all those stupid contracts Hurney fugged us with, leaving Rivera with less talent. This will inevitably lead to Rivera being let go and us finding a new coach next offseason.

I know what you're thinking, this sounds stupid. But just think about it. JR is clueless. Look at what happened last time we went through a transition. JR and Hurney laid low and didn't spend any money. They even cut some players to make more room. In other words, they started a rebuilding project. Well, this left Fox with a completely poop team and no chance of having a winning season. The following offseason, Fox was let go and Hurney went on a spending spree that has screwed this franchise over. A little over a year later, Hurney is fired but his mistakes will haunt the team for a couple more seasons.

Let's bring this all together.

Jerry does it all wrong. First, he puts coaches in crappy situations (first Fox and now, potentially, Rivera). Like I said above, if Rivera stays I expect next season to be a lot like Fox's final season. No hope. Second, when Fox was let go why didn't we just let Hurney go at the same time? Why didn't we start over completely? We fired Fox, who wasn't the problem, and kept Hurney, who obviously was the problem.

Jerry finally has a chance to start over with a clean slate. A new coaching staff and a new GM. But he won't. He will bring in a new GM will have no choice but to clean house (player-wise) and leave Rivera with very little to work with. Leading to another set back when we have to hire another coach next year.

Remember when Jerry said he had a plan 3 years ago? I think it's safe to say his plan sucked.

And please, put your home-team biases aside and accept the reality. We are screwed cap wise. The new GM is gonna have to make a lot of very unpopular moves.

this is just a whole bunch of stating the obvious to me. Most people feel the need to write a book to state the obvious

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I kinda feel bad for Rivera. He is in a really shitty situation right now.

Jerry told him after Hurney was gone that the team better improve. The team went on the finish 6-4 after that talk. So, in way, it'd be a little messed up if JR let him go. However, if Rivera does stay he is going to have a very rough test. Why? Because the GM is going to come in a clear out all those stupid contracts Hurney fugged us with, leaving Rivera with less talent. This will inevitably lead to Rivera being let go and us finding a new coach next offseason.

I know what you're thinking, this sounds stupid. But just think about it. JR is clueless. Look at what happened last time we went through a transition. JR and Hurney laid low and didn't spend any money. They even cut some players to make more room. In other words, they started a rebuilding project. Well, this left Fox with a completely poop team and no chance of having a winning season. The following offseason, Fox was let go and Hurney went on a spending spree that has screwed this franchise over. A little over a year later, Hurney is fired but his mistakes will haunt the team for a couple more seasons.

Let's bring this all together.

Jerry does it all wrong. First, he puts coaches in crappy situations (first Fox and now, potentially, Rivera). Like I said above, if Rivera stays I expect next season to be a lot like Fox's final season. No hope. Second, when Fox was let go why didn't we just let Hurney go at the same time? Why didn't we start over completely? We fired Fox, who wasn't the problem, and kept Hurney, who obviously was the problem.

Jerry finally has a chance to start over with a clean slate. A new coaching staff and a new GM. But he won't. He will bring in a new GM will have no choice but to clean house (player-wise) and leave Rivera with very little to work with. Leading to another set back when we have to hire another coach next year.

While I understand what you are saying, I am not seeing where the blame falls on Richardson for this. First you say it'd be messed up to get rid of Rivera. Then you say if Rivera stays it'll be pointless because he'll likely get let go anyway. Which makes no sense anyway because you act like we're going to be getting rid of every single player on this team or something. If we get rid of Williams and Gamble (because those are the only two solid players that would help us remotely to release; we're not getting rid of Beason if that is what you are thinking, cutting him would hurt us and nobody is going to trade for him), I honestly don't see how that makes us any worse. We'd still have Stew, Tolbert, and Cam as options in the running game. And we didn't have Gamble all this year and did just fine. Plus we have the draft.

And really? Comparing it to the Fox situation? Come on now. We went 2-14 that season not because we weren't talented. We were. That is why we have been much more competitive since. Hell, we were pretty competitive when Matt Moore actually started that year despite his mistakes. Some people really forget how awful Clausen was as a QB. There is no way we're going to do as bad as we did in 2010 with Cam at QB. If we did, that would be saying a hell of a lot more about Rivera than anything.

And then you say he won't start over with a clean slate. Why do people keep assuming stuff? Lets at least let the situation play itself out.

At the end of the day, people overreact every single year. Our cap is going to be fine. It's always said every year "Carolina is in huge cap trouble" and alas, what happens? We'll restructure, we'll make the proper releases, etc. Besides, it isn't like we need that much money available this offseason anyway. We have nobody to re-sign and there is nobody in FA that would be that expensive to sign.

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Its hard to have a favorite when nobody has even been interviewed. Of course Beane will have an edge due to the fact he took over for Hurney and did an ok job but nothing to fear.

Of course he did an okay job. He hasn't had to do anything yet. No big contracts have been negotiated. He hasn't had to run a draft. He hasn't had to cut players to get under the cap. All he's had to do is show up.

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I'm really curious about who this unnamed person who isn't currently employed by an NFL team who interviewed during the season is. Yas just mentioned him again in his article this morning.

I'm also intrigued by a Gettleman/Beane combo. I think Beane has a little more experience than he's being given credit for. Enough so that he would be helpful as a righthand man to a veteran like Gettleman. Have we ever had an heir apparent like that? Maybe it'll be part of a new FO structure where we can hopefully start developing our own inhouse talent people. I also wonder about how these moves will affect our scouting department. Didn't we have a new scouting team for this last draft, after the Cam Newton one? It looks like they are pretty good at finding talent throughout the draft and I hope they don't get dumped for no reason. I also think Rivera and his staff are very good at finding talent in young guys out of nowhere and getting them to produce. Those are all things that should be considered. We're in a really good place right now in the young talent department, Gettleman might be the perfect compliment to this in his pro evaluation abilities-- figuring out which of our old guys we can lose and if there is one or two free agents who can give us the most bang for our buck. You'd think as a GM you'd want to keep a guy like Rivera around because him and his staff's ability to coach guys up can make a draft class look better overall.

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Of course he did an okay job. He hasn't had to do anything yet. No big contracts have been negotiated. He hasn't had to run a draft. He hasn't had to cut players to get under the cap. All he's had to do is show up.

I think you're missing my point. I never said I wanted Beane but all I was saying was that he has the edge AT THE MOMENT due to the fact that Richardson knows what he has done and knows what he will do. He will interview other candidates and more-than-likely see that there are other variable candidates outside of Beane.

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While I understand what you are saying, I am not seeing where the blame falls on Richardson for this. First you say it'd be messed up to get rid of Rivera. Then you say if Rivera stays it'll be pointless because he'll likely get let go anyway. Which makes no sense anyway because you act like we're going to be getting rid of every single player on this team or something. If we get rid of Williams and Gamble (because those are the only two solid players that would help us remotely to release; we're not getting rid of Beason if that is what you are thinking, cutting him would hurt us and nobody is going to trade for him), I honestly don't see how that makes us any worse. We'd still have Stew, Tolbert, and Cam as options in the running game. And we didn't have Gamble all this year and did just fine. Plus we have the draft.

And really? Comparing it to the Fox situation? Come on now. We went 2-14 that season not because we weren't talented. We were. That is why we have been much more competitive since. Hell, we were pretty competitive when Matt Moore actually started that year despite his mistakes. Some people really forget how awful Clausen was as a QB. There is no way we're going to do as bad as we did in 2010 with Cam at QB. If we did, that would be saying a hell of a lot more about Rivera than anything.

And then you say he won't start over with a clean slate. Why do people keep assuming stuff? Lets at least let the situation play itself out.

At the end of the day, people overreact every single year. Our cap is going to be fine. It's always said every year "Carolina is in huge cap trouble" and alas, what happens? We'll restructure, we'll make the proper releases, etc. Besides, it isn't like we need that much money available this offseason anyway. We have nobody to re-sign and there is nobody in FA that would be that expensive to sign.

TV actually makes a pretty valid point. The cap is going to make things rougher next year (Thanks a lot, Marty).

That said, Rivera has shown the ability to coach the team under less than optimal circumstances (i.e. half the roster injured) so we'll see what happens next season.

I'd add that other teams have shown it is possible to field a competitive team even when you're not breaking the bank.

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