It was nice knowing you DeAngelo

[TylerVagyler]

by looking this website, it looks like cutting/trading Gross would save us a good chunk of money...

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/jordan-gross/

[blackcat]

Here's what happens...34 is going nowhere, he's made some money, he knows he's got a good qb, he also knows nobody is going to pay him like an elite RB. He'll restructure his contract.

[toldozer]

Looks like gamble and gross will take about 16 million off the cap if they are both cut or traded. Im not sure exactly how it works, but id assume we'd just be responsible for bonuses

[Marguide]

With the way his bonuses are set up his cap hit would actually be lower. lol

Just looked at it, and I'm not so sure that's correct.

He "only" has $7.2 million left in unallocated signing bonus. However, his contract has guarantees that total $23 million, and he has been paid a little under $10 million so far (signing bonus of $9 million and salary for 2012 of just under $1 million). So some of those amounts listed as "misc bonus" or some of his salaries are fully guaranteed. It is probably some combination of those. Nonetheless, it's going to be very hard to wiggle around his contract without it killing us.

[Chaos]

Bolster that O line with some talent and consistency, give me A Smith or T Poole and let's go.

[Marguide]

Looks like gamble and gross will take about 16 million off the cap if they are both cut or traded. Im not sure exactly how it works, but id assume we'd just be responsible for bonuses

Unless Gross has guarantees that are not listed, cutting him would save us over $10 million. The only unallocated bonus he has left is $1 million.

Gamble's details aren't listed on the site I use because he's on IR, but just going off memory, cutting him should also provide $8 to $10 million in savings. The 2 of them together were due to count approximately $23 million against our cap in 2013 and both have aged contracts so there are big savings to be had if we choose to go that way.

[carpanfan96]

Just looked at it, and I'm not so sure that's correct.

He "only" has $7.2 million left in unallocated signing bonus. However, his contract has guarantees that total $23 million, and he has been paid a little under $10 million so far (signing bonus of $9 million and salary for 2012 of just under $1 million). So some of those amounts listed as "misc bonus" or some of his salaries are fully guaranteed. It is probably some combination of those. Nonetheless, it's going to be very hard to wiggle around his contract without it killing us.

9 Million of it is an option bonus that's due in 2014 and another 6 million of it only kick in if he reaches 1400 rushing yards and 1600 Yards from scrimmage. The actual cap hit before those two bonuses kick in is only 1.8 a season. That's why I was asking about his option bonus language, because if it's set up correctly the team can cut him and it not count towards his cap hit.

[Marguide]

9 Million of it is an option bonus that's due in 2014 and another 6 million of it only kick in if he reaches 1400 rushing yards and 1600 Yards from scrimmage. The actual cap hit before those two bonuses kick in is only 1.8 a season. That's why I was asking about his option bonus language, because if it's set up correctly the team can cut him and it not count towards his cap hit.

Not if it's guaranteed. There is no getting around guaranteed money.

Edit: And just to add to that, of the $23 million guaranteed, only $1.8 million (signing bonus allocation) + $811,000 (2012 salary; approx off memory) has hit the cap. That means we still have over $20 million dollars of his contract yet to hit the cap. That's much uglier than DWill's.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

you guys are jerks

[carpanfan96]

Not if it's guaranteed. There is no getting around guaranteed money.

Edit: And just to add to that, of the $23 million guaranteed, only $1.8 million (signing bonus allocation) + $811,000 (2012 salary; approx off memory) has hit the cap. That means we still have over $20 million dollars of his contract yet to hit the cap. That's much uglier than DWill's.

That completely depends on if it's fully guaranteed and there's no buy back clauses or anything else wrote into the deal. If there are injury terms and buy back clauses in the deal they would only have to pay him a portion of his option bonus and none of the incentive bonuses. It's all on how the deal is worded.

[Marguide]

That completely depends on if it's fully guaranteed and there's no buy back clauses or anything else wrote into the deal. If there are injury terms and buy back clauses in the deal they would only have to pay him a portion of his option bonus and none of the incentive bonuses. It's all on how the deal is worded.

That is true. My understanding was that it's fully guaranteed, but without seeing the deal it's hard to know for sure. It would be hard for me to believe that Stew signed a contract in which only $9 million (his signing bonus) was fully guaranteed, given what DWill received.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

hi everyone have a nice night

[carpanfan96]

That is true. My understanding was that it's fully guaranteed, but without seeing the deal it's hard to know for sure. It would be hard for me to believe that Stew signed a contract in which only $9 million (his signing bonus) was fully guaranteed, given what DWill received.

Well if the team cuts him before the Option bonus, it would get escalated into the total. However the amount added would be based on the buy back clause in the contract. If there isn't one in there, then it would be the full amount of 9 million which would double the cap hit on the spot. I'm not 100% on the incentive bonuses as they really should be included along with the 1.8 in his cap hit as they would be LTBE incentives.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Well if the team cuts him before the Option bonus, it would get escalated into the total. However the amount added would be based on the buy back clause in the contract. If there isn't one in there, then it would be the full amount of 9 million which would double the cap hit on the spot. I'm not 100% on the incentive bonuses as they really should be included along with the 1.8 in his cap hit as they would be LTBE incentives.

everything you just posted is incorrect