Yet another Chip Kelly source/rumor

[Marguide]

i think it would be a centerpiece, but more of a ruse.

cam would be used enough as a runner to warrant the defense always needing to have someone spying on him but use that threat to open up other options.

that's essentially what he does at oregon...not with the QB running the ball, but the option and the dual threat runner (RB or QB...whose it gonna be?)

That's what I think too. And again, it's open to debate as to whether that is a good thing or not.

I have a lot of respect for you and many of the posters that have been pushing Kelly. I'm just not convinced that is the way to go.

The last 5 or 6 games we've played have demonstrated that our offense can be very effective using a more "conservative" scheme. Lot's of 2 TE, max protect, play action passing and power running, with a dose of read option and spread formations. We know this works. Why wouldn't we want to hire someone that runs this type scheme? It certainly wouldn't be because we can't score enough points, as this offense has been very explosive once we changed up game planning. And it comes with the added benefit of ball control, and that is still important in the NFL.

Many on here talk about Kelly's flexibility, and that he can adapt his offense to the players and the league, and that may be true. But you are asking us to take a leap of faith because we know what kind of offense we've seen Kelly run historically. That's a leap I'm just not ready to take yet.

[CarolinaCoolin]

That's what I think too. And again, it's open to debate as to whether that is a good thing or not.

I have a lot of respect for you and many of the posters that have been pushing Kelly. I'm just not convinced that is the way to go.

The last 5 or 6 games we've played have demonstrated that our offense can be very effective using a more "conservative" scheme. Lot's of 2 TE, max protect, play action passing and power running, with a dose of read option and spread formations. We know this works. Why wouldn't we want to hire someone that runs this type scheme? It certainly wouldn't be because we can't score enough points, as this offense has been very explosive once we changed up game planning. And it comes with the added benefit of ball control, and that is still important in the NFL.

Many on here talk about Kelly's flexibility, and that he can adapt his offense to the players and the league, and that may be true. But you are asking us to take a leap of faith because we know what kind of offense we've seen Kelly run historically. That's a leap I'm just not ready to take yet.

2 TE passing scheme wasn't heavily used until NE used it. Guess who NE brought it to create them a super good offense highlighting Brady/Gronk/Hernandez? Omg Chip Kelly! Bring him here now. He will create an offense that maximizes success out of cam and the teams skill set. The traditional play action pass scheme works too but just like of an offense that works even better that is completely new and opposing defenses have no tape on next season. Taking candy from a baby. And guess what kelly transforms his offense during the game. So mid game adjustments for the other team? Forget about them. The other teams won't know what hit them. We have a chance for something beautiful but I feel a lot of people in this thread are very close minded(not you specifically) who think kelly will just run a college offensive. That's simply not true. Besides him being a great offensive mind/gameplanner he's a great leader something rivera is not.

[rayzor]

That's what I think too. And again, it's open to debate as to whether that is a good thing or not.

I have a lot of respect for you and many of the posters that have been pushing Kelly. I'm just not convinced that is the way to go.

The last 5 or 6 games we've played have demonstrated that our offense can be very effective using a more "conservative" scheme. Lot's of 2 TE, max protect, play action passing and power running, with a dose of read option and spread formations. We know this works. Why wouldn't we want to hire someone that runs this type scheme? It certainly wouldn't be because we can't score enough points, as this offense has been very explosive once we changed up game planning. And it comes with the added benefit of ball control, and that is still important in the NFL.

Many on here talk about Kelly's flexibility, and that he can adapt his offense to the players and the league, and that may be true. But you are asking us to take a leap of faith because we know what kind of offense we've seen Kelly run historically. That's a leap I'm just not ready to take yet.

the thing is that aside from the tempo, there's really nothing all that "liberal" or whatever about what he does.

it's a lot of max protect, 2TE, play action, and power running. and it is a ball control, not in that they keep the ball for 30 minutes or whatever because they score fast, but it's not all that risky at all. when they get the ball, they score. it's trying to control the score rather than the clock.

when people say they know what kind of offense he runs and then say it's just a read option offense, i don't think they've actually done a lot of research into what they actually do. there is read option, but it's really not the big deal that people make it out to be. we may not run it now, but i think a lot of it has to do with chud calling the plays and not really having the best OL for much of anything right now.

it's really not that different than what we do now aside from the pace and the formations and, well, having someone that's more opportunistic than chud. it's running to set up the pass. again, i don't know what's so crazy about that.

but what really gets me about what we do now is that i don't trust rivera's game planning or management. i think kelly is much better at game management. he's a lot more cut throat. i also like the way kelly runs his team and his practices. i think the team would be a lot more practiced and prepared and disciplined with kelly.

people make far too big an issue about the read option. it's not the bugaboo people make it out to be.

[Rubi]

Cam has one of the highest QB ratings the past 5-6 games in the league. Whatever we are doing now on offense...needs to stay that way...

We can talk about all the great things Kelly can do on offense...but look at the strides this defense has made this season. I hate on Rivera so hard...but the defense is looking awesome...can't hate on him for that...there is more than one phase of the game to consider..

Just a point

[Khaki Lackey]

Honest question, Rayzor...

What do you see as the main factor(s) that has held back the Oregon teams and kept them from winning it all?

One of the main factors is a former Auburn QB that we all know.

[Kevin Greene]

Cam has one of the highest QB ratings the past 5-6 games in the league. Whatever we are doing now on offense...needs to stay that way...

We can talk about all the great things Kelly can do on offense...but look at the strides this defense has made this season. I hate on Rivera so hard...but the defense is looking awesome...can't hate on him for that...there is more than one phase of the game to consider..

Just a point

Can we also keep playing teams like San Diego, Philly and Kansas City?

Well not KC, we couldn't beat them.

[pantherpain]

Cam has one of the highest QB ratings the past 5-6 games in the league. Whatever we are doing now on offense...needs to stay that way...

We can talk about all the great things Kelly can do on offense...but look at the strides this defense has made this season. I hate on Rivera so hard...but the defense is looking awesome...can't hate on him for that...there is more than one phase of the game to consider..

Just a point

We have 5 win's with 2 games to go, with most of those wins against bad teams, let's not go down to deep on Rivera.

[Marguide]

2 TE passing scheme wasn't heavily used until NE used it. Guess who NE brought it to create them a super good offense highlighting Brady/Gronk/Hernandez? Omg Chip Kelly!

2 TE formations have been around since dirt was created. Are we going to give Kelly credit for that too? Just last year, we had 2 dynamic pass catching TE's, so it's not like NE has invented something new with Gronk and Hernandez.

The biggest influence Kelly has probably had on NE is with their one-word play calls. That allows them to run their no huddle offense at a faster pace. However, Kelly isn't the only coach that has provided tips to NE, as BB also has had frequent input from guys like Urban Meyer and Lou Saban.

Look, I'm not dead set against Kelly. He interests me and is a guy worth looking at. But let's keep things in perspective. Giving him credit for the use of 2 TE's in the passing game is just ridiculous.

[Marguide]

...but what really gets me about what we do now is that i don't trust rivera's game planning or management. i think kelly is much better at game management. he's a lot more cut throat. i also like the way kelly runs his team and his practices. i think the team would be a lot more practiced and prepared and disciplined with kelly.

I don't trust our game planning or management either, especially on the offensive side. Kelly's ability to get the most out of his players is definitely intriguing. His teams never seem to come out totally flat. They get beat sometimes, but they never look unprepared.

I promise to keep an open mind in regards to Kelly, so don't give up on me yet.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

2 TE formations have been around since dirt was created. Are we going to give Kelly credit for that too? Just last year, we had 2 dynamic pass catching TE's, so it's not like NE has invented something new with Gronk and Hernandez.

The biggest influence Kelly has probably had on NE is with their one-word play calls. That allows them to run their no huddle offense at a faster pace. However, Kelly isn't the only coach that has provided tips to NE, as BB also has had frequent input from guys like Urban Meyer and Lou Saban.

Look, I'm not dead set against Kelly. He interests me and is a guy worth looking at. But let's keep things in perspective. Giving him credit for the use of 2 TE's in the passing game is just ridiculous.

Agreed.

Having said that, what kind of credit should a HC get that has actually utilized the two tight end formation to great success but abandons it the very next season for a disjointed, anemic offense? Then, to make things worse, he doesn't recognize/acknowledge his bad judgment and throws away half a season before there is any sign of his OC attempting to correct the error?

Thank you sir, may I have another? (season of that kind of leadership/thinking)

[CarolinaCoolin]

2 TE formations have been around since dirt was created. Are we going to give Kelly credit for that too? Just last year, we had 2 dynamic pass catching TE's, so it's not like NE has invented something new with Gronk and Hernandez.

The biggest influence Kelly has probably had on NE is with their one-word play calls. That allows them to run their no huddle offense at a faster pace. However, Kelly isn't the only coach that has provided tips to NE, as BB also has had frequent input from guys like Urban Meyer and Lou Saban.

Look, I'm not dead set against Kelly. He interests me and is a guy worth looking at. But let's keep things in perspective. Giving him credit for the use of 2 TE's in the passing game is just ridiculous.

you act like a gave him that credit. of course 2 TE sets have been around long before kelly but tell me another team that used 2 TE as their main receivers. we used 2 TE also...when we copied from NE. this is a copy cat league. you copy what other teams do well cause it works. we copied from NE when the 2 TE worked. Why not bring in a guy who doesnt copy but creates? the main reason cam made a huge splash was no one had tape on him. no one will have tape on a cam/kelly offense. it becomes that much more deadly when you dont even know what to prepare for.

can you tell me with a straight face that youd rather have Ron over that? cause i cant.

[Marguide]

you act like a gave him that credit. of course 2 TE sets have been around long before kelly but tell me another team that used 2 TE as their main receivers. we used 2 TE also...when we copied from NE. this is a copy cat league. you copy what other teams do well cause it works. we copied from NE when the 2 TE worked. Why not bring in a guy who doesnt copy but creates? the main reason cam made a huge splash was no one had tape on him. no one will have tape on a cam/kelly offense. it becomes that much more deadly when you dont even know what to prepare for.

can you tell me with a straight face that youd rather have Ron over that? cause i cant.

This isn't a Ron vs. Chip argument.

I just get the impression you haven't been watching football for very long. I'm not trying to be condescending, but you keep making these statements that are just silly. First, the one about NE learning how to use a 2 TE offense from Kelly, and now, that our offense last year used 2 TE's to move the ball because we copied NE.

Child, please.

[CarolinaCoolin]

This isn't a Ron vs. Chip argument.

I just get the impression you haven't been watching football for very long. I'm not trying to be condescending, but you keep making these statements that are just silly. First, the one about NE learning how to use a 2 TE offense from Kelly, and now, that our offense last year used 2 TE's to move the ball because we copied NE.

Child, please.

you keep making assertions that i said kelly showed them the 2 TE offense I did not. second, you completely dodged the question of me asking you to find any team that has used the 2 TE as main receivers? Gronk had Megatron stats last year. a TE having WR stats is usually unheard of. the 2 TE mega season NE had was in 2011 kelly wasnt brought in until after that season. of course he didnt show them that but he did give them suggestions on spread and no huddle which highlights gronk and hernandez because there is more than likely a miss match of a LB on one of them.

dont ever child please me. ive been watching football for a long time. i dont make dumb misinformed assertions about your life dont make them about mine.

[Marguide]

dont ever child please me. ive been watching football for a long time. i dont make dumb misinformed assertions about your life dont make them about mine.

Sorry if I offended you, but the reality is you are still very young (and that is a good thing, believe me) and there were some spectacular TE's doing things before you were born.

If you have the time, do some research on Kellen Winslow Sr. or Shannon Sharpe. They put up Megatron type seasons (for that era) and were true game changers.

NE happens to have 2 very talented tight ends, and when you couple that with a QB like Brady, good things are going to happen. My only point is that it's not something revolutionary that is happening with that offense. What is going on in NE, and this applies to Kelly's input into the system as well, isn't tearing up the league because defenses are overly confused by it. It's tearing up the league because it is being run by really, really good players.