Steve Smith needs 105 yards

[panthers55]

Your second sentence is answered by your first.

Cam negates the need for Stewart and Williams. Yes, you can make a system more friendly for our RBs than Chud did early but Cam still reduces the need for elite rushers. Investing in other areas helps your best player (Cam) more.

But the big issue here, was a GM and coaching staff being on two different pages. GM is gone....time to move forward with what the coaches want. Williams is a good RB, bad fit. Bad fit was obvious last year when Stewart got the most snaps......and again when he was officially benched this year. Doesn't mean he can't make plays but our staff is looking for a different style

If you are going to run a read option offense then you might be right but honestly we should be going to a power running game and emphasizing Newton's passing instead of his running. The majority of his runs this year are not designed runs but scrambles when he is getting pressured and his protection breaks down. The line problems this year have made it hard on everyone and have made it difficult to sustain a running game.

But no I disagree that we should be featuring Newton as a running back or expecting him to carry the load. He is best running from pressure not slamming his body into the line instead of a guy like Tolbert who is built for short yardage situations.

And somehow I think that Williams getting over 100 yards combined in each of the last 2 games makes him a good fit for this offense now that Chud is using better.

[panthers55]

I don't believe we should subject ourselves to be slaves to running a system because of the money we're investing. So going full house formation with 2 WRs on every play is not going to work, no matter how much talent we have. This year proved that no matter how much talent you have doesn't guarantee you a good running game. Without good blocking from the line even putting these three guys on the field at once isn't going to help. The secret to having a good running game that makes your team better is good blocking, rather than talent at the RB position.

I would've been fine if they let Williams walk and re-signed Stewart. That would've been the best option going forth. Stewart and an oddball committee would've been more than enough to produce.

You mean the Stewart that is on IR???

I also think that we have gotten plenty of production from the running game and passing game lately. Seems we have averaged 30 points the last 2 weeks which is 8 over our yearly average. Don't know why anyone is bitching really.

[CRA]

If you are going to run a read option offense then you might be right but honestly we should be going to a power running game and emphasizing Newton's passing instead of his running. The majority of his runs this year are not designed runs but scrambles when he is getting pressured and his protection breaks down. The line problems this year have made it hard on everyone and have made it difficult to sustain a running game.

But no I disagree that we should be featuring Newton as a running back or expecting him to carry the load. He is best running from pressure not slamming his body into the line instead of a guy like Tolbert who is built for short yardage situations.

And somehow I think that Williams getting over 100 yards combined in each of the last 2 games makes him a good fit for this offense now that Chud is using better.

I think with Newton you have to emphasize both his legs and feet to legitimately have a chance to see his true potential.

I never said Newton should be the the featured runner.....only he negates the need for a collection of talent at RB (bc he simply will be part of the rush attack). I believe Wash has the best ground attack statistically .....with a 3rd string converted FB. RGIII negates how much talent is needed.

And if you need a yard.....pending it is a big one.....I don't think there is any player better suited to get it than Newton. But I disagree all his best running is from scrambles. He has several 20+ this year on designed runs. His running just needs to be managed on designed runs.....Carolina could probably do a slightly better job with that. They get lazy and rely on him too often IMO

We need to invest in our OL. For Cams's sake.....for whoever runs it in the future. It all starts there. RBs can be plugged in behind a great OL and with a unique threat like Cam. Don't need Adrian Petersons.

And again, if Williams was a good fit......he wouldn't of been benched this year officially and unoffically been the #2 last year. He can make plays bc he is talented.....but the staff has been clear over the course of 2 seasons he isn't what they want.

[frash.exe]

You mean the Stewart that is on IR???

Stewart is not on IR

I also think that we have gotten plenty of production from the running game and passing game lately. Seems we have averaged 30 points the last 2 weeks which is 8 over our yearly average. Don't know why anyone is bitching really.

could be the 1-6 start iunno

[panthers55]

I think with Newton you have to emphasize both his legs and feet to legitimately have a chance to see his true potential.

I never said Newton should be the the featured runner.....only he negates the need for a collection of talent at RB (bc he simply will be part of the rush attack)

And if you need a yard.....pending it is a big one.....I don't think there is any player better suited to get it than Newton. But I disagree all his best running is from scrambles. He has several 20+ this year on designed runs. His running just needs to be managed on designed runs.....Carolina could probably do a slightly better job with that. They get lazy and rely on him too often IMO

Unless you don't think we need a running game then someone needs to be featured. If it isn't Cam then it needs to be someone else.

As for needing a yard, fine then run him if you don't care if he gets hammered by a linebacker spearing over the top. Why did we bring in Tolbert if not for 3rd and short or the redzone?

And yes we still have designed runs but it seems chud is getting it and realizing that using him as a running back is not a great idea. What makes his running out of trouble so great is that it often turns a sure sack into a first down. Nothing demoralizes the defense more than thinking he is sacked and then for him to run down the field and extend the drive.

[Rubi]

I don't need the court jester to talk for me, I am doing just fine.

Kuechly does run the front seven of the defense. And a typo to the contrary taken to this extreme speaks of your ignorance not mine.

Beason was held out of the preseason for the most part so he would be ready for the regular season, he wasn't injured.

P55 does thinks that the contracts for the running backs could have been manageable if the running game was emphasized much more than it has been.

For example who is bitching about Johnson's contract any more?? Why not?? Because it wasn't that outrageous or because he is producing at a high level?? His total contract is almost as much as Williams and Stewart combined. He was paid as much as both of them at 11 million dollars this year and by 2014 it will be 15 million. But he has produced for the team while the running backs have not. Not because they couldn't but Chud didn't emphasize them which is his fault not theirs.

So you are right you have no clue and I am running out of patience trying to teach a pig to whistle.

"Beason (hamstring) will miss Carolina's preseason opener Saturday, Sports Illustrated reports."

"Beason (hamstring) is expected to miss Thursday's final preseason game against the Steelers, Joe Person of the Charlotte Observer reports."

He missed all of preseason with leg issues. Odd?

Let's avoid drawing comparisons between a DE and a RB. You made a nice Chud statement. It's his and Rivera's fault for using or not using a certain scheme. You validated my point earlier about this staff. You tried defending them for decisions early on in the season. You must have been under a rock.

Can you blow my whistle baby, whistle baby

Let me know

Girl I'm gonna show you how to do it

And we start real slow

You just put your lips together

And you come real close

Can you blow my whistle baby, whistle baby

Here we go

[panthers55]

Stewart is not on IR

could be the 1-6 start iunno

You are right he was inactive not IR.

As for the 1-6 start you think that was Williams and Stewart fault? I thought the consensus was using the read option too much and a defense that played too soft at the end. Which team are you following?? Miami??

[Rubi]

I don't believe we should subject ourselves to be slaves to running a system because of the money we're investing. So going full house formation with 2 WRs on every play is not going to work, no matter how much talent we have. This year proved that no matter how much talent you have doesn't guarantee you a good running game. Without good blocking from the line even putting these three guys on the field at once isn't going to help. The secret to having a good running game that makes your team better is good blocking, rather than talent at the RB position.

I would've been fine if they let Williams walk and re-signed Stewart. That would've been the best option going forth. Stewart and an oddball committee would've been more than enough to produce.

It's evident that when this team can grind out yards on the ground our offense is almost unstoppable. Just scratching my head why we ever went away from our scheme from last season. If our GM is investing a large % of our cap to RBs we better be running some type of offense that features that position in a big way. If you don't...then what happened earlier this season....thats just a product of that disconnect/poor drafting/poor management etc. Our resources are tied up at 1 position and we don't have the depth to run a different type of offense

[panthers55]

"Beason (hamstring) will miss Carolina's preseason opener Saturday, Sports Illustrated reports."

"Beason (hamstring) is expected to miss Thursday's final preseason game against the Steelers, Joe Person of the Charlotte Observer reports."

He missed all of preseason with leg issues. Odd?

Let's avoid drawing comparisons between a DE and an RB. You made a nice Chud statement. It's his and Rivera's fault for using or not using a certain scheme. You validated my point earlier about this staff. You tried defending them for decisions early on in the season. You must have been under a rock.

Can you blow my whistle baby, whistle baby

Let me know

Girl I'm gonna show you how to do it

And we start real slow

You just put your lips together

And you come real close

Can you blow my whistle baby, whistle baby

Here we go

Again what do you when a player has any nick or issue in the preseason? You don't play him and you tend to be overcautious and you give a reason for keeping him out. that is what we did with Beason. Honestly hard to beleive you are naive enough to quote Joe Person as an authority on this board and expect credibility? It is the court jester asking the village idiot for affirmation..........

And as for the rest, you are typing words but they mean nothing. Who believes that Chud and Rivera didn't make mistakes or that the read option scheme was a good one?? No one. The difference here is that you are still standing with your head in the sand. I see the way the team has morphed into a complete team. I see how the offense and defense have come together to play a complete game. I see Rivera being more aggressive on offense and defense. i I see chud using more of a power running scheme of late to good advantage.

So whistle away but like your lame tune, you still don't have a clue.

[CRA]

Unless you don't think we need a running game then someone needs to be featured. If it isn't Cam then it needs to be someone else.

As for needing a yard, fine then run him if you don't care if he gets hammered by a linebacker spearing over the top. Why did we bring in Tolbert if not for 3rd and short or the redzone?

And yes we still have designed runs but it seems chud is getting it and realizing that using him as a running back is not a great idea. What makes his running out of trouble so great is that it often turns a sure sack into a first down. Nothing demoralizes the defense more than thinking he is sacked and then for him to run down the field and extend the drive.

Why does someone need to be featured? Or better, why do you need an elite featured RB? I already said Cam shouldn't be the featured runner.....that means you just need RBs to run. Not All Pro caliber RBs.

Washington has the top ground game.....he was a FB in camp. The best QBs in the game Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Peyton don't have elite RBs so clearly that isn't a need in order to perform at the highest level.

So now we shouldn't run Newton? He should only run out of desperation? aren't you the guy who agreed his health was in more jeopardy in the pocket than as a runner? .....I guess you recently have changed stances.

Cam Newton has potential to be the greatest mismatch in NFL history. If we don't take advantage of it.....we shouldn't of drafted him.

Chud seems to be using him the same as ever IMO. Yeah, he limits the zone read but is using him like last year. He got banged up early last week....so Chud called it off early. Nothing suggests Chud has backed off IMO of Cam being part of the run game.

Tolbert is a mix of the redzone looks.....as he should be. Cam is the better option when it is really needed. Can't run Cam every time....Tolbert was needed in a bigger role Sunday bc of Cam's leg

[panthers55]

It's evident that when this team can grind out yards on the ground our offense is almost unstoppable. Just scratching my head why we ever went away from our scheme from last season. If our GM is investing a large % of our cap to RBs we better be running some type of offense that features that position in a big way. If you don't...then what happened earlier this season....thats just a product of that disconnect/poor drafting/poor management etc. Our resources are tied up at 1 position and we don't have the depth to run a different type of offense

You know when you say the same thing I just said a few pages earlier you make sense. Except for the part about the tying up resources. We have I think 8 million in cap space we didn't use this year. Almost the whole cost of Williams and Stewart. So the idea that we tied up money we didn't have in the RB position is wrong when you realize we didn't use all the money we had or still have.

[Rubi]

Again what do you when a player has any nick or issue in the preseason? You don't play him and you tend to be overcautious and you give a reason for keeping him out. that is what we did with Beason. Honestly hard to beleive you are naive enough to quote Joe Person as an authority on this board and expect credibility? It is the court jester asking the village idiot for affirmation..........

And as for the rest, you are typing words but they mean nothing. Who believes that Chud and Rivera didn't make mistakes or that the read option scheme was a good one?? No one. The difference here is that you are still standing with your head in the sand. I see the way the team has morphed into a complete team. I see how the offense and defense have come together to play a complete game. I see Rivera being more aggressive on offense and defense. i I see chud using more of a power running scheme of late to good advantage.

So whistle away but like your lame tune, you still don't have a clue.

I guessed a not fully healed Achilles, weak/pulled hamstring is just a nick...thank god you aren't a doctor. I can go and find another source saying the exact same thing about Beason being injured its not a big deal. And you're proud of our team missing the playoffs again....loser culture is ingrained in this guy

I think you're turning to insults because you're flustered that I proved you wrong. Usually when one loses the debate their last resort is to throw around insults. At least make them funny or something...this is getting old already

[Rubi]

You know when you say the same thing I just said a few pages earlier you make sense. Except for the part about the tying up resources. We have I think 8 million in cap space we didn't use this year. Almost the whole cost of Williams and Stewart. So the idea that we tied up money we didn't have in the RB position is wrong when you realize we didn't use all the money we had or still have.

Stewart:

Cap

2012: 2,711,250

2013: 2,800,000

2014: 5,550,000

2015: 8,300,000

2016: 9,050,000

2017: 7,750,000

Williams:

Cap

2012: 8,700,000

2013: 8,200,000

2014: 9,200,000

2015: 10,200,000

No other team is doing this. If we are going to do this we better have 170 rushing yds from our RBs every week. Cap space you say? After this season we don't have the space to field a 53 man roster. It's not about this season. It's about going forward. Get a clue meatball

[CRA]

Stewart:

Cap

2012: 2,711,250

2013: 2,800,000

2014: 5,550,000

2015: 8,300,000

2016: 9,050,000

2017: 7,750,000

Williams:

Cap

2012: 8,700,000

2013: 8,200,000

2014: 9,200,000

2015: 10,200,000

No other team is doing this. If we are going to do this we better have 170 rushing yds from our RBs every week. Cap space you say? After this season we don't have the space to field a 53 man roster. It's not about this season. It's about going forward. Get a clue meatball

And while we are doing that.....we have a QB rewriting the record books on the ground