Zod, Yes or No: Is Cam the Problem?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

hey guys i'm TheLaptop.

i have no idea why a quarterback in a west coast passing offense with the top rushing attack in the league would have a higher completion percentage and "make less mistakes" than a quarterback in a coryell variant that can't run the ball effectively.

oh yeah and the entire colts' organization is hell bent on winning for chuck pagano and is solid top to bottom but we should discount all that because they're playing for an interim head coach.

[nctarheel0619]

hey guys i'm TheLaptop.

i have no idea why a quarterback in a west coast passing offense with the top rushing attack in the league would have a higher completion percentage and "make less mistakes" than a quarterback in a coryell variant that can't run the ball effectively.

oh yeah and the entire colts' organization is hell bent on winning for chuck pagano and is solid top to bottom but we should discount all that because they're playing for an interim head coach.

Stop destroying this dude man. You are gonna go make him cry. You right though. Dude is a moron. Blaming Cam for everything when clearly our team is complete and utter poo.

[Mr. Scot]

I play both sides of the debate because well, there are two sides to the Cam coin.

Is Cam a future franchise QB with potential to lead a team to to a Superbowl? Yep

Can Cam throw a great long ball for the big gainer? Yep

Is Cam one of the only bright spots on the offense if not the only one? Yep

Does Cam have a ways to go in terms of intangibles and leadership? Yep

Can Cam improve his footwork and his accuracy on shorter routes and screens? Yep

Cam is a good sometimes great player. Most players would be lucky just to reach the level that he has already achieved. Some of you are satisfied with that. I'm not. I think we haven't yet seen what he can really do.

Much of this is on the coaching staff, who appear to have completely failed him this year. Hopefully he spends the summer with Weinke again.

I'd say he's facing a transition in the next year or so. Either he'll become the kind of QB he needs to be like Favre did or he'll be a perennial tease like Jeff George was.

Here's hoping the staff, whomever they may be, handle this correctly.

[fieryprophet]

I'd say he's facing a transition in the next year or so. Either he'll become the kind of QB he needs to be like Favre did or he'll be a perennial tease like Jeff George was.

Here's hoping the staff, whomever they may be, handle this correctly.

Lord help me, if the next coaching staff employ the read option as a base offense my ire will be entirely centered on them.

[rayzor]

That's not what I asked but I agree with all of that. You don't just play both sides of the debate, you seem to imply that you know more about his character than others and even hint at it but then don't spill the goods. And if they are rumors, well I was taught that spreading rumors is almost as bad as spreading tumors.

i don't get that zod is doing that at all.

he's said it pretty plainly before in another thread. cam is kind of considered a diva in the lockerroom, but that it wasn't necessarily a bad thing or considered a bad thing by him or really anyone else (at least that was my take).

he's always said that cam's got great talent and a great future. he's also seen, as many of us only with a little closer and different perspective, the areas on the field and on the sidelines where cam can improve...and it's not blasphemous or disrespectful at all to newton to acknowledge that he, being a very young guy in a very high profile position, has room to grow. nor there anything wrong with holding him to a higher standard and expecting more from him because of his position on the team and draft status, but nowhere has he or any non-mouth breather said that he is the only problem. he's part of it, but nowhere near the only part or a majority part. but that part is easily grown out of...at least the parts that matter, anyway.

it's just not the big issue that people make it out to be. he's got immense talent and a personality to match.

[rayzor]

Lord help me, if the next coaching staff employ the read option as a base offense my ire will be entirely centered on them.

if they know what they're doing and how to run it effectively, i don't have a problem with it. if they have the personnel to make it work, i have no problem with it.

i don't think this team has all the personnel needed nor does it have an OC gameplanning or calling the plays who knows how to run it well.

[Mr. Scot]

if they know what they're doing and how to run it effectively, i don't have a problem with it. if they have the personnel to make it work, i have no problem with it.

i don't think this team has all the personnel needed nor does it have an OC gameplanning or calling the plays who knows how to run it well.

I get what you mean, but I absolutely don't want that route.

Like I said elsewhere, this next year or so is a 'make or break' type transition. I absolutely want that period to occur in the environment of a pro style offense.

[rayzor]

I get what you mean, but I absolutely don't want that route.

Like I said elsewhere, this next year or so is a 'make or break' type transition. I absolutely want that period to occur in the environment of a pro style offense.

i don't think it matters and i still think people get waaaaayyyyy too hung up on this "pro style" offense. there is no one pro style offense. spread...read option...coryell...wco....it's all pro style because it's all getting used. the offense known as "pro-style" is evolving to look more like what is being done in college.

i just don't think it matters whether or not an offense is considered traditional or not. what matters is that the scheme fits the personnel, is run well, is dominant, and is adaptable to the situation.

[Mr. Scot]

i don't think it matters and i still think people get waaaaayyyyy too hung up on this "pro style" offense. there is no one pro style offense. spread...read option...coryell...wco....it's all pro style because it's all getting used. the offense known as "pro-style" is evolving to look more like what is being done in college.

i just don't think it matters whether or not an offense is considered traditional or not. what matters is that the scheme fits the personnel, is run well, is dominant, and is adaptable to the situation.

I don't have one particular offense in mind when I say that. Coryell, Earhardt-Perkins and West Coast are the most commonly used 'pro-style' offenses.

What I do know is that certain schemes which work at the college level just don't transition well to the pro level, primarily because of the differences in speed and overall talent level. The read option is one of them.

Can it be successfully used as an occasional look? Yeah. As a base offense? Don't think so.

[fieryprophet]

Read option should be a wrinkle that forces defenses to prepare for something unconventional. Not a base. It's hard to run a decent play action out of the read option.

[rayzor]

I don't have one particular offense in mind when I say that. Coryell, Earhardt-Perkins and West Coast are the most commonly used 'pro-style' offenses.

What I do know is that certain schemes which work at the college level just don't transition well to the pro level, primarily because of the differences in speed and overall talent level. The read option is one of them.

Can it be successfully used as an occasional look? Yeah. As a base offense? Don't think so.

it's not transitioning well so far mainly because of the lack of experience playing in it (i'm looking at the players that have been around for the past 10 years or so) and the lack of experience or knowledge of it from a traditionally slow to evolve and reluctant to change NFL community.

the thing is, though, that the spread is catching on and spreading and the rules protecting the passing the passing game only make it more attractive to teams. it's being used by more and more teams as much as a base offense as anything else.

the league is evolving, though, and it's better to be on the front end of that than one of those hanging on to tradition. you adapt or die. the WCO is dying out. the erhardt-perkins and the coryell are evolving and looking very different from their original inceptions and they are taking on elements of the spread, but they will eventually be replaced.

spread offenses are not traditional, but neither were the WCO, erhardt-perkins, or coryell in the 70's and 80s when they hit the scene. traditional doesn't mean more effective or better. it just means used more until it's replaced with what becomes the new tradition (which are spread offenses).

like i said, it doesn't matter what you run as long as you've got personnel to fit it and knowledgable coaches running it.

[rayzor]

Read option should be a wrinkle that forces defenses to prepare for something unconventional. Not a base. It's hard to run a decent play action out of the read option.

not if you are in the pistol formation.

[fieryprophet]

not if you are in the pistol formation.

It's not the formation, it's the fact that the QB usually can't set his feet properly with the option fake.

[rayzor]

It's not the formation, it's the fact that the QB usually can't set his feet properly with the option fake.

a lot of it can be fixed in the pistol. it's not as effective as coming from under center, but it's better than being in the shotgun.