Busy day for Bears

[Fireball77]

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Didn't have to give up draft picks for any of them is what I believe fuzz would think.

I don't think that Cutler would have been happy and given his all in Den with McD after everything HE FELT was done TO him. They had to get rid of him.

Chi is banking on QB making more of a difference than receivers do. McD is gambling that a good QB with great skill players and his offensive scheme is sufficient. I think MCD is right. Time will tell.

[dimbee]

We're still a running team, first and foremost. But with Cutler under center, opposing defenses will be less likely to stack the box with 8. I can see Greg Olsen having a Pro Bowl season this year

[Fireball77]

Sure, they will have to respect his arm strength. Certainly a guy with a strong arm like his will be an ideal thing to have in the swirling winds of Chi.

I imagine that this is the main reason Chi dumped Orton for him, his arm. I don't think it will make that much difference because I don't think Orton was so horrible other than not having the arm strength of Cutler. But I didn't watch all Orton's games so I could be wrong in that.

[dimbee]

I have nothing but good things to say about Kyle. I wish him the best. Short and mid-range passes are his forte... the deep balls he was just bad, bad, bad

[Fireball77]

Well hell's bells that's all he will have to do in Mickey D's offense. That's exactly what Cassel did. He'll be just fine because he has pretty close to the same skill position talent in Den as Cassel had in NE (remembering that he and Moss weren't hooking up very well most of the year). Heck if Moreno pans out he will have better. And a great OL also.

[frash.exe]

Not true at all.

Cutler may be a top 13 or so QB IMO. He has the arm, and the smarts, but not the leadership or the intangibles.

Also do you find it at all strange that he has not had a winning season in 7 + years?

What gamble did the bears take? You mean you don't consider trading away two first round draft picks for a player that forced his way off of his last team, and that player being a QB? Or maybe the risk that they took taking a sub .500 NFL QB for those two draft picks?

thefuzz do you even know what "intangibles" are?

[dimbee]

[frash.exe]

Not true at all.

Cutler may be a top 13 or so QB IMO. He has the arm, and the smarts, but not the leadership or the intangibles.

Also do you find it at all strange that he has not had a winning season in 7 + years?

What gamble did the bears take? You mean you don't consider trading away two first round draft picks for a player that forced his way off of his last team, and that player being a QB? Or maybe the risk that they took taking a sub .500 NFL QB for those two draft picks?

thefuzz why do you think Cutler's production and the perception that the highly productive QB can't lead a team is more reasonable than the fact that the Broncos have been one of the worst teams in scoring defense the last two years when trying to explain why the Broncos can't get to the playoffs?

[frash.exe]

I wasn't one of the crowd that wanted Cutler here. Calling huim a good QB I get, but one of the best in the NFL? Sorry, that's homerific.

Would I have paid what the Bears did to get Cutler? No. I applaud the move to get him given their QB issues, but I think they gave up too much.

Will he pan out? Don't know. At this point, there's just as much chance he's the next Jeff George as there is that he's the next John Elway.

(honestly, this is mostly rehash of prior statements)

What I'd worry about if I were a Bears fan? If he doesn't play well enough to justify the trade terms, I could see a scenario that finds both Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo looking for work. As far as Angelo, I'm 50-50 on that, but I think Lovie Smith losing his job would be a shame.

Mr. Scot why do you think Cutler has so much more in common with a QB who never showed the kind of strides in development his first three years as Jay did than just the fact that their relationships with their first teams ended on a sour note?

[Mr. Scot]

Mr. Scot why do you think Cutler has so much more in common with a QB who never showed the kind of strides in development his first three years as Jay did than just the fact that their relationships with their first teams ended on a sour note?

Same reason as Dungy (i.e. questions about his maturity and attitude)

If he fixes them, he could be fine. If not, issues could be on the horizon.

Not that complicated, really.

[dimbee]

Same reason as Dungy (i.e. questions about his maturity and attitude)

If he fixes them, he could be fine. If not, issues could be on the horizon.

Not that complicated, really.

I've read the Dungy interviews, and I'm fairly certain he hasn't called him the second coming of Jeff George

[Mr. Scot]

I've read the Dungy interviews, and I'm fairly certain he hasn't called him the second coming of Jeff George

Same idea. Different terms.

Dungy thinks it's possible his immaturity will derail his talent. George is an example of that.

Would you categorically deny that it's a possibility?

[dimbee]

Would you categorically deny that it's a possibility?

Nothing is impossible in the NFL and everything is possible.

Eli Manning's posturing when the Chargers drafted him and could definitely be categorized as immaturity, and he won a Super Bowl

[Mr. Scot]

Nothing is impossible in the NFL and everything is possible.

Eli Manning's posturing when the Chargers drafted him and could definitely be categorized as immaturity, and he won a Super Bowl

Likewise, John Elway's.

You'd have to admit though that there are more examples of guys like Ryan Leaf and Jeff George than there are Manning and Elway.

Could Cutler grow up? Sure, but the burden of proof right now is on him. Until he shows me otherwise - and he could - I have my doubts.

Does that seem unreasonable?