Busy day for Bears

[dimbee]

If you say so

You asked my opinion of Manning, and I gave it. But we both know the whole point of your argument is to make Cutler sound better, in this case by attacking my opinion. If the mental gymnastics of it all helps you feel better about Cutler, or about your own football knowledge, have at it.

Actually the whole point of this argument is to shoot a hole in your the "only proven QBs are the ones who have led their teams to the playoffs" theory.

However, since Tony Dungy has essentially the same take I do, and Dungy isn't just a fan like you or me, I'm wondering if you have a better response for Tony's stance than "I read that two days ago".

Dungy didn't quantify his analysis of Cutler by saying he can only be considered a "proven" QB if he leads his team to the playoffs.

Dungy's job now is to be an NFL analyst for NBC, so of course he's going to voice his opinion. I have no problem with that.

:lurk5:

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Got both Gilbert and Joaguin Iglesias signed to 4 year deals today. All draft picks signed and we're not even halfway through June! W00t W00t!!

You realize you don't get bonus points for signing your players early, right? It doesn't really matter as long as they don't hold out. Seeing as how you didn't have a 1st or even 2nd round pick, the chances of that happening were extremely unlikely.

[dimbee]

You realize you don't get bonus points for signing your players early, right? It doesn't really matter as long as they don't hold out. Seeing as how you didn't have a 1st or even 2nd round pick, the chances of that happening were extremely unlikely.

No, no bonus points, but it is nice to know that everyone will be reporting to training camp, no question. 3 out of the last 4 years, the Bears have been the first team to have all of their draft picks signed. Yeah, it doesn't count for much, but it is good to know we get it done :ihih:

[R0CKnR0LLA]

3 out of the last 4 years, the Bears have been the first team to have all of their draft picks signed.

Just curious, was the one year you didn't the year you went to the SB?

[dimbee]

Just curious, was the one year you didn't the year you went to the SB?

Hmmm... I think so. It was the year Cedric Benson held out... so, yeah it was

[Mr. Scot]

Actually the whole point of this argument is to shoot a hole in your the "only proven QBs are the ones who have led their teams to the playoffs" theory.

Sorry. You didn't really succeed there. But setting that aside, even accepting this notion doesn't really help your argument that Cutler's accomplished enough to be called "proven".

But again, if it makes you feel better... :sosp:

Bottom line: Cutler is "known" but he hasn't proven anything more than the ability to make half decent stats in the regular season. That and a ticket will get you to the Super Bowl.

Dungy didn't quantify his analysis of Cutler by saying he can only be considered a "proven" QB if he leads his team to the playoffs.

Dungy's job now is to be an NFL analyst for NBC, so of course he's going to voice his opinion. I have no problem with that.

:lurk5:

The opinion he's expressing sounds familiar.

“They took a risk,” Dungy said. “I think they took that risk specifically with beating the Green Bay Packers in mind. I really think Chicago gave up a lot to get a quarterback who they believe is going to be the final piece of the puzzle. But I am not sure he has won enough to merit that yet.”

In other words, they gave up a lot to get him - and maybe it'll work - but at this point he's unproven.

For my part, I won't be surprised if Cutler starts the season hot. He's the new guy in town, still in "Honeymoon Period" with the fans, and has a chip on his shoulder. Those factors lend to a fast start, and subsequent high hopes.

But those things also don't last forever. As the season drags on, and if there's adversity - injury to a key player or questionable play from the OL, for example - that's the time when Cutler may need to show what he's made of, whether it's for good or bad.

Like it or not, the Bears have taken a gamble. And personally, I'm not against teams doing that. Fortunes - and titles - have been won in the NFL by teams that have gambled on the right guy. The big question now is whether Cutler will turn out to be "the right guy". And for their sake, he'd better, because there's a lot at stake.

[Darth Hater]

Sorry. You didn't really succeed there. But setting that aside, even accepting this notion doesn't really help your argument that Cutler's accomplished enough to be called "proven".

But again, if it makes you feel better... :sosp:

Bottom line: Cutler is "known" but he hasn't proven anything more than the ability to make half decent stats in the regular season. That and a ticket will get you to the Super Bowl.

The opinion he's expressing sounds familiar.

In other words, they gave up a lot to get him - and maybe it'll work - but at this point he's unproven.

For my part, I won't be surprised if Cutler starts the season hot. He's the new guy in town, still in "Honeymoon Period" with the fans, and has a chip on his shoulder. Those factors lend to a fast start, and subsequent high hopes.

But those things also don't last forever. As the season drags on, and if there's adversity - injury to a key player or questionable play from the OL, for example - that's the time when Cutler may need to show what he's made of, whether it's for good or bad.

Like it or not, the Bears have taken a gamble. And personally, I'm not against teams doing that. Fortunes - and titles - have been won in the NFL by teams that have gambled on the right guy. The big question now is whether Cutler will turn out to be "the right guy". And for their sake, he'd better, because there's a lot at stake.

Cutler is one of the best QBs in the NFL. What gamble did the Bears take? They haven't had a descent QB in 20 plus years. You seem to come off a little bitter when discussing the Bears and your posts always seem so damn negative(glass half empty?), is it wishful thinking on your part or do you really think Cutler won't pan out?

[Mr. Scot]

Cutler is one of the best QBs in the NFL. What gamble did the Bears take? They haven't had a descent QB in 20 plus years. You seem to come off a little bitter when discussing the Bears and your posts always seem so damn negative(glass half empty?), is it wishful thinking on your part or do you really think Cutler won't pan out?

I wasn't one of the crowd that wanted Cutler here. Calling huim a good QB I get, but one of the best in the NFL? Sorry, that's homerific.

Would I have paid what the Bears did to get Cutler? No. I applaud the move to get him given their QB issues, but I think they gave up too much.

Will he pan out? Don't know. At this point, there's just as much chance he's the next Jeff George as there is that he's the next John Elway.

(honestly, this is mostly rehash of prior statements)

What I'd worry about if I were a Bears fan? If he doesn't play well enough to justify the trade terms, I could see a scenario that finds both Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo looking for work. As far as Angelo, I'm 50-50 on that, but I think Lovie Smith losing his job would be a shame.

[Fireball77]

I am not sure that Lovie was 100% on board with the necessity of getting Cutler, or perhaps it was the picks they gave up that concerned him. Just a feeling, nothing really concrete. Some of the things he said seemed kind of lukewarm.

And since Dungy is a very good friend of Smith's, it is possible that they have discussed the topic between themselves and might share some reservations which only Dungy is free to express.

[Boltergeist]

2006 Week 17 - San Fran 26, Denver 23

2008 Week 15 - Carolina 30, Denver 10

2008 Week 16 - Buffalo 30, Denver 23

2008 Week 17 - San Diego 52, Denver 21

The common thread: Denver makes the playoffs with a win in any of those games. The SF and BUF games were marred by deep drives that couldn't be finished. So right now, even though Cutler is an upgrade, I'm still in "see it to believe it mode" regarding him even being clutch enough to get to the playoffs.

If Chicago Cutler > Denver Cutler, I'll be more than happy you took him off of their hands. But if Chicago Cutler < Denver Cutler: my adage of him not only being diabetic, but allergic to the postseason will hold true.

[thefuzz]

Cutler is one of the best QBs in the NFL. What gamble did the Bears take? They haven't had a descent QB in 20 plus years. You seem to come off a little bitter when discussing the Bears and your posts always seem so damn negative(glass half empty?), is it wishful thinking on your part or do you really think Cutler won't pan out?

Not true at all.

Cutler may be a top 13 or so QB IMO. He has the arm, and the smarts, but not the leadership or the intangibles.

Also do you find it at all strange that he has not had a winning season in 7 + years?

What gamble did the bears take? You mean you don't consider trading away two first round draft picks for a player that forced his way off of his last team, and that player being a QB? Or maybe the risk that they took taking a sub .500 NFL QB for those two draft picks?

[Darth Hater]

Not true at all.

Cutler may be a top 13 or so QB IMO. He has the arm, and the smarts, but not the leadership or the intangibles.

Also do you find it at all strange that he has not had a winning season in 7 + years?

What gamble did the bears take? You mean you don't consider trading away two first round draft picks for a player that forced his way off of his last team, and that player being a QB? Or maybe the risk that they took taking a sub .500 NFL QB for those two draft picks?

They gave up Two unprovens(probably mid first rounders) that may or may not pan out and they still have picks in rounds 2 -6. Have you seen the list of Angelos #1 picks! I think Cutler handled himself pretty well. Look at it this way, You are the top salesman for a major corporation that gives every bit of himself/herself to make the company top notch and to help sustain a brighter future for you and your workplace. All of the sudden you get a new boss that comes in and wants to get rid of you(behind your back) for his friend/relative with less credentials and a worse track record that has nowhere near the sales numbers you've put up. Would you be upset? Would you want out of that company to go somewhere where your track record will be appreciated while having the opportunity of possibly being promoted and appreciated for all of your hard work? Cutler was mad, so he didn't return a few calls to a guy that tried to stab him in the back after all he did for that team when they had no defense and inconsistent run game . I don't think he handled it all that bad, he didn't go around slandering McDaniels in a TO fashion or anything. The Sub .500 record is a team record, in the NFL it's not all on the QB, this isn't baseball and Cutler isn't a pitcher. If the Panthers would've gotten him I bet you'd be singing a different tune.

[thefuzz]

They gave up Two unprovens(probably mid first rounders) that may or may not pan out and they still have picks in rounds 2 -6. Have you seen the list of Angelos #1 picks! I think Cutler handled himself pretty well. Look at it this way, You are the top salesman for a major corporation that gives every bit of himself/herself to make the company top notch and to help sustain a brighter future for you and your workplace. All of the sudden you get a new boss that comes in and wants to get rid of you(behind your back) for his friend/relative with less credentials and a worse track record that has nowhere near the sales numbers you've put up. Would you be upset? Would you want out of that company to go somewhere where your track record will be appreciated while having the opportunity of possibly being promoted and appreciated for all of your hard work? Cutler was mad, so he didn't return a few calls to a guy that tried to stab him in the back after all he did for that team when they had no defense and inconsistent run game . I don't think he handled it all that bad, he didn't go around slandering McDaniels in a TO fashion or anything. The Sub .500 record is a team record, in the NFL it's not all on the QB, this isn't baseball and Cutler isn't a pitcher. If the Panthers would've gotten him I bet you'd be singing a different tune.

Wrong.

He is under contract, the team owns the rights to you, and they wanted to trade you. It's very simple. And by the way, he didn't just not return a few phone calls from McDaniels, he didn't return phone calls from Pat Bowlen, you know the team owner, the one who signs the checks that you have cashed for millions already. I think that you owe your boss more than that. Hell I get mad at my boss all the time, and I never screen his calls.

As far as the sales analogy, it happens all the time in my business, and if you can't handle it, you can't be in sales, or be a QB for a Professional football team.

On top of that, I don't buy "how bad we are at drafting". If he is that bad, he should be fired, no questions asked.

I would have been extremely disappointed in the FO of the Panthers if we had traded Jake and two first rounders for a QB without a winning NFL record. I believe in building through the draft, period.

[dimbee]

I would have been extremely disappointed in the FO of the Panthers if we had traded Jake and two first rounders for a QB without a winning NFL record. I believe in building through the draft, period.

Stephen Davis

Jake Delhomme

Sam Mills

None of them drafted by the Panthers and all major contributors to the Super Bowl run.

Just sayin