Busy day for Bears

[dimbee]

In the second game, which was when everything was on the line for Denver, Cutler threw two interceptions in his own territory and both lead to SD touchdowns which ended up putting the game out of reach. And it wasn't as if he wasn't getting run support early in the game, Bell had netted several good gains in the first half before Cutler put the game out of reach and they couldn't afford to run the ball any longer.

In fact during the first half Denver's defense was doing fairly well considering the offense wasn't helping out at all until much later in the game. The rushing yards were almost entirely gained the second half AFTER Cutler's second interception.

Shall I keep going?

It was 24-6 at halftime. Hell of a way for the Denver defense to be "doing fairly well." Broncos had 49 yards rushing at halftime, and as far as Bell having "several good gains," he had one run of 26 yards and the rest were garbage. Cutler had not thrown any INTs in the 1st half, and yet the team was down 18.

Of course they're going to be throwing the ball trying to come back from that far down. When a team's back is against the wall like that, they are going to throw. In those situations, INTs are more likely to happen.

Feel free to keep going.

Might want to check your gameplay stats first, though....

[Brandon]

Sproles and Tomlinson running over pro-bowl caliber Denver defenders such as Jamie Winborn and Ebenezer Ekuban was directly related to Jay Cutler's lack of leadership and intangiblezzzazazaz.

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Fine, prove Cutler has leadership. I dare you. If you just want to invalidate any example contrary to your opinion, give me the examples that contribute to your opinion.

[dimbee]

Look above for examples that make your opinion invalid

[frash.exe]

Fine, prove Cutler has leadership. I dare you. If you just want to invalidate any example contrary to your opinion, give me the examples that contribute to your opinion.

lol

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10645020

"We have been in some high-scoring ballgames, back and forth, and the defense has caught a little heat because they've had trouble stopping some people," Cutler said. "We have too much talent, too much character over there."

oh he's so selfish he's commending the defensive side of the ball despite having to bail them out almost every fuging game.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10917254

"We followed him all the way," Broncos tight end Tony Scheffler said about his quarterback Cutler. "He's our leader and he's a gutsy player. He took some shots from the media and around the town. We struggled in the running game and he maybe pressed a little bit, but he proved who he is."

NEWSFLASH: Brandon thinks he knows more about Jay Cutler's leadership capabilities than Tony Scheffler.

why don't you peruse the archives in that website and then get back to me later, k?

[Brandon]

It was 24-6 at halftime. Hell of a way for the Denver defense to be "doing fairly well." Broncos had 49 yards rushing at halftime, and as far as Bell having "several good gains," he had one run of 26 yards and the rest were garbage. Cutler had not thrown any INTs in the 1st half, and yet the team was down 18.

Of course they're going to be throwing the ball trying to come back from that far down. When a team's back is against the wall like that, they are going to throw. In those situations, INTs are more likely to happen.

Feel free to keep going.

Might want to check your gameplay stats first, though....

24-6 isn't the whole story. They were getting VERY little time to rest after the second drive from the Chargers and did all they could. Still doesn't change the fact that Cutler threw for 2 picks before the game was completely out of hand. it was 24-13 almost immediately following the start of the first half. Bell had 54yds and 1 td in the first half averaging almost 8 yards per carry. Without the long run he was still averaging 4.5ypc.

You wanna put money on him throwing a pick in the first half? I watched the game a couple weeks ago and remember it clearly.

Also you need to take a look at both interceptions. The first was a pass into the endzone that was a horrible read, the safety was already moving towards Marshall when Cutler threw it and the ball was even off target making the pick easier. The second was a tipped ball at the line where Phillips was right in front of Cutler's throwing lane yet he threw it anyways to Bell, Phillips tips it and Castillo takes it inside Denver's 20.

Also as far as Cutler's play in the first half when the game was still close, it was just bad. Lots of off target throws and poor reads.

[Brandon]

lol

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10645020

oh he's so selfish he's commending the defensive side of the ball despite having to bail them out almost every fuging game.

Ummm they were 4-1 after that point in the season, of course he is going to still be saying nice things. Ever notice how in the past 5 months there have been a lot of articles talking about Cutler's leadership, generally good leaders don't have that called into question, in fact it almost never happens.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10917254

NEWSFLASH: Brandon thinks he knows more about Jay Cutler's leadership capabilities than Tony Scheffler.

why don't you peruse the archives in that website and then get back to me later, k?

Hmmm.... Reminds me of something very similar said about one Tony Romo, also of poor leadership. Notice how Scheffler is complimenting him after a game in which he was the main impetus for winning? I don't see those quotes about him in the games they lost.

Remember, this is the same Cutler who threw his offense under the bus while playing for Vandy saying “We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points.” How about Cutler LYING to the national media, because Cutler did demand a trade before the whole Cassel incident went down. How about the way Cutler handled himself during the whole trade process in which he bitched and moaned to the media about how badly the Broncos mistreated him when it was Cutler who wouldn't answer McDaniels's calls.

Tony Dungy does not publicly criticize players with any sort of regularity, so when he comes out nationally and questions his maturity and leadership there has to be something there. He's not one to talk out of his ass and I respect his opinion a lot more than most.

[frash.exe]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10881453

after the loss to miami...

"I'm not worried about that," Cutler said. "Whenever you throw some picks like that, obviously the crowd is going to get on me. You've got to expect that. I was disappointed in myself."

"You have good games and bad games as a quarterback," he said. "This was a bad game."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11284109

after the loss to Buffalo...

"If you had told us in the beginning of the year that it was a one-game series with us and San Diego to go to the playoffs, we probably would have taken it," Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler said.

Yes, but had somebody told the Broncos two weeks ago they would be looking at their season coming down to San Diego . . .

"Well, we are now," Cutler said while cutting off the cynical interrogator. "So that's reality. Next question."

"You see our quarterback running downfield. He's not running out

of bounds. He's lowering his shoulder, making plays," said Broncos guard Chris Kuper, who played despite suffering a broken hand last week. "I think that goes for everybody in here. Not everybody's in the spotlight like our quarterback is, and you can't see it, but everybody wants to win the AFC West. Everybody wants to go to the playoffs."

Here are some quotes i dug up. You can perceive it anyway you want it. To the unbiased observer, it shows Cutler has proven he has leadership capabilities, that he can keep his composure in the face of hardship, and that his teammates respect him. To somebody who wants to tear him down because he holds some kind of irrational animosity against him, it means nothing, and rather, vague archaic quotes from years back in his college career and parallels to another QB of which he shares little in common are more relevant.

what about Josh McDaniels? You don't put any frigging blame on him for bungling his QB situation to just walk in and immediately entertain a trade for Matt Cassel. It's a two way street. There's commitment to your coach and a commitment to your QB. Cutler denied the "claims" (which had only been claims and never confirmed) that he demanded a trade before the Cassel thing happened, so for you to front it like it's the truth is BS. The problem here is you dismiss Cutler as being bitchy when you have no frigging accurate description of what happened in Denver. And it was not Cutler, but McDaniels who lied to Cutler about not entertaining a trade and then going back and admitting it later.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

Tony Dungy doesn't have a lot of things to do right now. He's not busy at work in Indianapolis, he's a retired head coach who has never directly worked with Jay Cutler, and his saying that is almost ironic considering his own QB in Indy has been known to talk about his teammates negatively in the press.

[Brandon]

Here are some quotes i dug up. You can perceive it anyway you want it. To the unbiased observer, it shows Cutler has proven he has leadership capabilities, that he can keep his composure in the face of hardship, and that his teammates respect him. To somebody who wants to tear him down because he holds some kind of irrational animosity against him, it means nothing, and rather, vague archaic quotes from years back in his college career and parallels to another QB of which he shares little in common are more relevant.

Those quotes don't demonstrate leadership at all. If you can expound upon why they are relevant that would help but every player regardless of whether or not they're a good leader makes these kind of comments. My opinion of him have formed based on many observations of him over the last 5 years. I liked him when I first saw him at Vanderbuilt, and was willing to look past his lack of maturity in his first year in the NFL but he's made no progress. My point with Romo is that as a known quantity Romo is regarded by many as a poor leader. Despite this you'll hear good comments about him from the team, but that doesn't necessarily make them valid. Also as far as leadership is concerned, there is a big difference between being someone's friend and being a leader. One does not automatically confirm the other, and there are many times in which good leaders do not necessarily have a lot of friends, ie Belichick and Cowher.

what about Josh McDaniels? You don't put any frigging blame on him for bungling his QB situation to just walk in and immediately entertain a trade for Matt Cassel. It's a two way street. There's commitment to your coach and a commitment to your QB. Cutler denied the "claims" (which had only been claims and never confirmed) that he demanded a trade before the Cassel thing happened, so for you to front it like it's the truth is BS. The problem here is you dismiss Cutler as being bitchy when you have no frigging accurate description of what happened in Denver. And it was not Cutler, but McDaniels who lied to Cutler about not entertaining a trade and then going back and admitting it later.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

I wasn't here to talk about McDaniels, I'm here to talk about Cutler. The whole thing was poorly handled by Josh, Jay and Bus, but in the end it's hard to feel good about the way Jay was so unwilling to compromise. When Shanahan was released Bus Cook issued a formal trade request on the behalf of Jay. He rescinded it temporarily but I have a hard time feeling he really wanted to work under Josh at any point. That being said McDaniels shouldn't have tried to adopt the Patriots' attitude towards players in Denver, because not many players want to play for the Pats and when a team isn't as successful as the Pats the numbers in favor are even less so. You ASSUMED far too much about my thoughts on the situation, I was just listing my criticisms of Cutler, McD didn't have much to do with Jay's leadership.

When Joe Montana was in the process of being traded he didn't come out nationally and bitch to the media about how unfair he is being treated. The same goes for Marshall Faulk who was going from a blossoming Colts team to the Rams, who were not a good team before his arrival and the emergence of Kurt Warner.

Conversely look at one of Bus Cook's other clients for signs of poor leadership and immaturity, Brett Favre. Sure his team mates loved him but he wasn't a terribly good leader and he certainly didn't handle himself well when talking to the media as of late. I'm sorry but we tend to turn a blind eye sometimes when a player is very skilled, and Jay is a very gifted passer, but playing quarterback is about so much more than throwing the ball.

Tony Dungy doesn't have a lot of things to do right now. He's not busy at work in Indianapolis, he's a retired head coach who has never directly worked with Jay Cutler, and his saying that is almost ironic considering his own QB in Indy has been known to talk about his teammates negatively in the press.

How often has Dungy been in the press since retirement? Not often. As a head coach you hear a lot about players on other teams, not just from scouts but from other players, owners, etc. I'm very certain he wouldn't have commented the way he did on this situation if he wasn't familiar with it. Regardless of how Peyton handles himself in the media, it doesn't take away from what Dungy said. Hell maybe that contributed to why he said what he did about Cutler.

I know you love statistically good quarterbacks, and I understand why, but quarterbacks as well as offensive linemen and cornerbacks are near impossible to properly judge based on statistics alone. I know you want to think this is all some irrational personal bias why I don't like Cutler, but my thoughts on him were formed through objective observation about a player I wanted to like but in the end couldn't because of the way he carries himself.

[Fireball77]

I would be pissed as eff if the QB of my team said this:

The San Diego Chargers had just won the AFC West title in resounding fashion, defeating the Broncos, 52-21, to earn the right to host the Indianapolis Colts in a first-round playoff game six days later, and Cutler stopped to answer an unambiguous question: Was it fair to conclude that the team he just played is for real?

“These guys?” the Pro Bowl quarterback asked, gesturing to the players celebrating behind him. “San Diego? No, I don’t think so. I think Indy’ll handle ‘em pretty good. We really can’t stop anybody, and that’s the bottom line.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AlvM7vw5g914_g1DL8VJTZlDubYF?slug=ms-morningrush122908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

P Manning and McNabb have been known to take public shots at their D also. I don't think much of them as teammates/leaders either.

[thefuzz]

I would be pissed as eff if the QB of my team said this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AlvM7vw5g914_g1DL8VJTZlDubYF?slug=ms-morningrush122908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

P Manning and McNabb have been known to take public shots at their D also. I don't think much of them as teammates/leaders either.

Between that one, and the "yea, I have a better arm than Elway".....I would have welcomed two 1st's and a QB who seems to handle adversity.

[Fireball77]

QBs especially have to learn how to handle the press. Time will tell if he continues to let things pass from his brain out of his mouth without stopping to think first.

[Brandon]

I would be pissed as eff if the QB of my team said this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AlvM7vw5g914_g1DL8VJTZlDubYF?slug=ms-morningrush122908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

But... But... But... he was being a leader and motivating his team to do well.

[dimbee]

So, while Peyton Manning is a "proven" QB, he is not a leader because he has called out teammates.... likewise for Favre, McNabb and any other QB.

What a web...

[thefuzz]

So, while Peyton Manning is a "proven" QB, he is not a leader because he has called out teammates.... likewise for Favre, McNabb and any other QB.

What a web...

I am pretty sure that she said that she didn't think much of them as leaders or teammates.

I agree.

Cutler, McNabb, and Manning 1 are great players, of that there is no question. All we are saying is that all three of them have been known to throw their D and other O players under the bus. I don't like that.