Peyton Manning Sound FX

[CarolinaPride5]

How did Denver have more fans than us at our own home game?!

[Guest Tom Cat]

Oh no he didn't! So what makes Peyton more a man compared to Cam, his complexion?

If you cant figure it out I pity you

[koolkatluke]

I agree with CRA and others. There is a difference in the way the Redskins and Colts built their team for their young QB. Then how we did it.

1. They got rid of most if not all leaders in the former regime. examples (colts - Manning, Saturday) (Skins - Brought in a whole new offense) So their QB were able to step in and be the leader by default. Cam was brought in to a locker room with "ESTABLISH" Leaders from a old regime. Not able to just come in and be the leader because you had 3 to 4 multi Pro bowlers in leadership roles.

2. Cam was getting over analyze before he was even drafted. People were questioning his character, work ethic, and intelligence.

He had to work hard (in a locked out offseason ) just to change people predescribed perception of him. Gross admitted in a interview about this. While Luck and RG3 were praised for everything from how they tie their shoes to their choice of chewing gum. They came in with a hype machine saying how great they would be and sure fire leaders.

Which is real funny because Cam is the only 1 out of the three to lead his team to a national championship, undefeated season, in the hardest conference in college football.

Not to mention only 3 player were drafted off his team and 8 players were drafted off Lucks team.

[rayzor]

Well again, it goes back to one man can't change a franchise......yet that unrealistically is what has been expected from Cam.

You want Cam to be what you think he should be doing..get rid of guys like Smitty. Bc Smitty and his old era bs stands in Cam's way. Rivera sucks so bad he too talks old era now. Once he was confident and embraced Newton's hell no to losing attitude and supported people needed to get on Cams's level.....now he is wiling to throw Cam under the bus out of desperation.

Cam is surrounded by the attitude he came in pointing was overflowing here.

here's the thing.

i'm not expecting him to change the franchise. i'm expecting cam to be cam. i was hoping that he would at least stand his ground and be the man he was when he was drafted. instead of being the hype guy that can influence he became the guy that needed hyped up.

i wasn't expecting him to change the culture. he let the culture change him. can i blame him for that? yes and no. i can understand that, but it still shouldn't have happened. the team didn't help, but a man's got to stand. i just don't see him doing it like i thought he would.

i know at some point he will, probably next year. right now, though, he's allowing himself to be influenced by the culture. that's not strong character, imo. i was just expecting more from him.

i guess it's my fault that i wasn't expecting some guy who was emotionally tough enough to not let the people around him influence the way he acted. the sad thing for me was it happened right out of the gate. i can understand getting worn down after an extended period of time. i can understand a guy who had never experienced loss being effected by it negatively when they get their first taste of it. i just think he allowed it to put him into a funk that he hasn't been able to get out of.

i don't think he's going to be some VY headcase or whatever. i certainly don't think he's going to turn into some pissy ryan leaf. i think he'll grow out of it. it's going to take him deciding to change the way he acts and thinks, though. you can put all the best influences around a person but it's not going to matter if the person won't take it on himself to change the way he deals with disappointment.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

If you cant figure it out I pity you

behold, the power of the non-answer

so i guess you don't remember peyton crying about his "protection problems" in his post-game presser after the 2005 divisional playoffs.

[Match.com]

payton manning is not a Panther. don't care

[Milehigh_Madness07]

Give it about 2 to 3 more years. No second year QB can go in boss mode like that. Thats why Manning is who he is. I believe Cam will get to this point in a few years. That kind of leadership only comes with experience.

No that kind of leadership is either something that you have or you don't have. When is the last time anyone saw Cam Newton going over plays and rallying the troops on the sideline? Andy Dalton is a second year player that Marvin Lewis told to get his crap together and take control like a man. He responded by beating the hell out of the Giants on Sunday. I have seen Dalton going over plays with his team multiple times and reviewing negative plays with his OC. RG3 has also been voted a captain as a rookie and comes off much more mature and mentally tough than Cam. It shows in his interviews and in his on/off the field demeanor. I don't look around the league and see many qb's constantly sulking by themselves with a towel over their heads and acting like sad little kids in post game pressers. Goodluck banking on 2-3 more years completely changing a guys attitude when most likely he will be learning another new system and having a ton of player turnover in Carolina when a new coach gets hired.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

When is the last time anyone saw Cam Newton going over plays and rallying the troops on the sideline?

after every single drive with shula.

Andy Dalton is a second year player that Marvin Lewis told to get his crap together and take control like a man. He responded by beating the hell out of the Giants on Sunday.

dalton plays in a completely different system under a much better coaching staff. not a good comparison. we've been through the dalton poo on this board-it was called "all last year", new guy. your own coach also isn't big on calling his quarterbacks out either as we found out over many years when jake delhomme was our starter. different coaches have different styles.

I have seen Dalton going over plays with his team multiple times and reviewing negative plays with his OC.

cam would have to be in the booth to go over plays with our OC. which is part of the problem with chudzinski among many other things.

RG3 has also been voted a captain as a rookie and comes off much more mature and mentally tough than Cam.

he sure looked mentally tough when the panthers beat him like a drum.

It shows in his interviews and in his on/off the field demeanor.

who fuging cares about the face he puts on for the media.

I don't look around the league and see many qb's constantly sulking by themselves with a towel over their heads and acting like sad little kids in post game pressers.

Goodluck banking on 2-3 more years completely changing a guys attitude when most likely he will be learning another new system and having a ton of player turnover in Carolina when a new coach gets hired.

thank you for the well wishes!

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

also for this last little shitnugget of your two flush post:

No that kind of leadership is either something that you have or you don't have.

we won't know anything about that until later in cam's career when he's being coached by a competent staff that actually inspires leadership instead of the poo sandwich we have now. do you think cam forgot how to be a leader after his time at auburn when he was clearly the heartbeat of that team?

[Mr. Scot]

The irony of this video that everyone missed amidst the usual discussion...

John Fox saying "Next time you think about running, pass it instead" :o

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

you donks fans are unbelievably lucky to have elway handcuffing fox the way he has and force feeding him peyton manning.

if fox was calling the shots i promise you kyle orton or some other shitheap career backup or washed up FA starter would be your starting QB right now.

[Milehigh_Madness07]

RG3 didn't come to the media and ask for a suggestion box and have a mini mental breakdown for starters. Secondly I get that the oline is in shambles but it doesn't help when Cam cannot read an NFL defense and holds the ball for 5+ seconds with happy feet in the pocket. Thirdly every qb that gets drafted high was a leader on their respective college teams, if they weren't then nobody would give them the time of day. If you cannot lead people your own age than you sure as heck won't lead grown men. Cam has failed to make the transition into that guy. I feel like Luke K will the be leader of your team for a long time and with good health a top 3 mlb in this league for years. And lastly us Broncos fans are lucky to have Elway because he is showing that he is the anti Michael Jordan in terms of a great player transitioning into a competent GM. He has had two wonderful drafts and brought in some solid vets. Was it that Fox was a bad coach or that ownership and the GM left him out to dry with poor moves and not giving him the players that he was comfortable with? Also he lost a lot of guys to injury while he was in Carolina so you can't hold that against the guy. And just out of curiousity since when did Marvin Lewis become some great coach? The GM really did Fox some favors with good old Jimmy C at qb as well. Im sure that move really rallied the troops.

[brandon_87]

A second year QB sure as hell can do more than hang his head on the bench.

Grab the photo folder. Look at what the defense is doing. Talk to your o-line. Talk to your receivers.Talk to your damn QB coach.

Doing any one of these would be an improvement.

When will our coaching staff nut up and grab his ass off the bench and talk to him?

that's what i've been asking for the longest time

[carpantherfan84]

Congratulations media for turning completely irrelevant habits into the most talked about thing on a team that quite frankly is overachieving with the collection of talent they have.

Im sure everyone really believes that there is something Cam or anybody on this team can say that change the fact that they are not playing well or that there is anything any of them can do other than PLAY BETTER. And as soon as they are none of that other poo will matter.

Why are we talking about this. Seriously, why are interviews or towels over your head important.

Raise your hand if you are a behavior interpreter by trade... Dont worry I'll wait.

And for anybody that disagrees that we are overachieving I challenge you to name 5 people on the offense that would start anywhere in the league.