Peyton Manning Sound FX

[AceBoogie]

Who is the leader on our team? You guys are telling me they are all waiting on cam get the fug out if here. Name a player on the Redskins offense worth it that's not injured? It's by default

[bigmanstew]

Give it about 2 to 3 more years. No second year QB can go in boss mode like that. Thats why Manning is who he is. I believe Cam will get to this point in a few years. That kind of leadership only comes with experience.

I disagree.... I think you either have it or not. A story from Manning's rookie training camp, a Tight End Marucs Pollard ran a wrong route but disagreed with what Mannning called and to paraphrase, Manning said If I say it is easter you better start looking for eggs or something to that effect.

Manning is an extra coach on the sideline/huddle, not many QB's can or will do that. I've not seen anything similar out of Luck.

It makes me wonder what would/could have been if they would have traded KFC & the draft picks to Polian/Colts back in 98.

Maybe Cam can become a stronger leader.

The leadership is there at any age. The respect factor that goes with it comes with time/experience.

[Guest Tom Cat]

Denver has a man as their quarterback, we have a petulant child.

[weymouthst]

I've always been a Manning fan. Loved the Colts, like the Broncos even more now that they are like what Carolina was a few years ago. Only so much better.

I bet Fox was delighted about that game. He hopped from a lame duck team, to a franchise with HOF talent, then came in and stomped his old team. Classic situation.

Every player on this team should be taking notes from the game last Sunday. Coaches, players, everyone.

[TheRed]

Denver has a man as their quarterback, we have a petulant child.

Oh no he didn't! So what makes Peyton more a man compared to Cam, his complexion?

[rayzor]

Oh no he didn't! So what makes Peyton more a man compared to Cam, his complexion?

i've gone back to blocking posters. that guy you quoted is the most recent one.

[CRA]

he's letting the culture effect him.

that's on him and that's the problem i have.

he's not standing up. he's taking it sitting down.

Unrealistic. One young man against a machine.

He made his stance known from day 1....what is wrong with Carolina was glaring to him. He is up against a lot.

Hard for him to change a franchise....when he is still waiting to find some consistancy to help on a field.

[CRA]

totally agree on that, but i don't think that cam's doing himself any favors at all either. he's putting just as much on his shoulders as everyone else is. he's not sharing the load and he's taking it all too seriously and personally. he expects perfection. he expects to be the one winning the game. if the team doesn't then i think he puts that all on him. i'm not saying he shouldn't be taking responsibility for his bad plays and decisions and i'm not saying that he should be throwing the coaches and players under the bus.

i think he's overwhelmed but i think it's a lot of his doing as well. he expected too much of himself too quickly. it's not happening like he thought, esp. this year, and you can see it. he's just as disappointed as everyone else is in how the season is going.

what makes a champion, though, isn't letting that stuff get the better of you. it's rising above it. it's fighting instead of throwing the towel in. i don't think he's given up, necessarily, but i also don't think that he's got the heart of a champion right now, either.

he's not the same guy he was at auburn or blinn, even. he's experienced loss and failure and he can't shake it off. what's going to make him great and make the team great is HIS ability to shake it off and rise up.

i just hope it happens soon.

Who is Cam suppose to be sharing the load with? How is that his fault?

The old guard? The RBs his OC won't use?

[rayzor]

so what is it? he has no problems? or he has no problems? because that's the only option you and a few others are giving.

you will say, if cornered that he does have some areas for growth, but when one is identified you make excuses.

i give up.

[KillerKat]

Sometimes I hope Cam leaves after his contract is up. This fanbase doesn't deserve him. He gets criticized on every little thing he does.

So a 2nd year QB is supposed to override old vets like Gross and Smith? This isn't really Cam's offense until those guys are gone. Can you imagine what would happen if Cam tried to command things from Smith? All hell would break loose. I think Cam thinks highly of his elders and don't want to step on their toes in order to avoid what would happen and the huge team distraction it could become. I agree that those guys need to go in order for Cam to take full control.

[CRA]

so what is it? he has no problems? or he has no problems? because that's the only option you and a few others are giving.

you will say, if cornered that he does have some areas for growth, but when one is identified you make excuses.

i give up.

All 2nd year QBs have problems......

Cam is the least of our problems though. It ain't tough to understand.

Not sure why you act like putting a young player and offense in general in a position to fail is a unique and radical suggestion.....

Quit focusing on Cam and ask your self why Double Trouble plus Tolbert COMBINED avg 60 yards per game. Why is DeAngelo suddenly averaging 3 yards a carry, etc.

Yet you think all that is being a Cam apologist?!

We aren't losers bc Cam has sloppy footwork or pouts alone. Little issues from a young QB are the norm.....what is going on in Carolina however is comical. Cam can't overcome the scenario he is.....even with an endless ceiling. A poor organization around him can slam the door on his ceiling......and we are a poorly run organization at this point.

[rayzor]

i've said over and over and over that no one is getting off the hook.

if this was a thread about how underachieving the RBs are or how chud sucks then i'd be in on that as well.

this is a thread talking about leadership skills of a QB and i don't think he's living up to his potential in that area.

not sure why that is a problem. is it not true?

that being true has nothing to do with the situation he's been put into being sucky. i just see him as being someone who i thought would rise above it. you don't. so you make excuses or deflect it. i guess i'm just giving him more credit than what you are.

[CRA]

i've said over and over and over that no one is getting off the hook.

if this was a thread about how underachieving the RBs are or how chud sucks then i'd be in on that as well.

this is a thread talking about leadership skills of a QB and i don't think he's living up to his potential in that area.

not sure why that is a problem. is it not true?

that being true has nothing to do with the situation he's been put into being sucky. i just see him as being someone who i thought would rise above it. you don't. so you make excuses or deflect it. i guess i'm just giving him more credit than what you are.

Well again, it goes back to one man can't change a franchise......yet that unrealistically is what has been expected from Cam.

You want Cam to be what you think he should be doing..get rid of guys like Smitty. Bc Smitty and his old era bs stands in Cam's way. Rivera sucks so bad he too talks old era now. Once he was confident and embraced Newton's hell no to losing attitude and supported people needed to get on Cams's level.....now he is wiling to throw Cam under the bus out of desperation.

Cam is surrounded by the attitude he came in pointing was overflowing here.

[raleigh-panther]

An old saying in the South 'a mule in a horses' harness is still a mule'.

The Panthers have a lot of mules and it takes thoroughbreds to win on the race track or in the NFL.

No amount of will or rah-rah is going to make up for that lack of talent on the lines.

Fix that and many things change.

As for Newton, I expect he will be evaluted just like everyone, and if the new GM thinks he's not the guy, he won't be and it won't have anything to do with race, it will have to do with accuracy, ability to read defenses, can he lead when times are hard, can he close when the games' are on the line.

this is the same for any QB in this league from rookie to veteran and football is all about performance, period. People who think Cam has it tough should go look at what is said about Eli Manning and Mark Sanchez on a daily basis in the NY press.

I think everyone on this board, inlcuding me, wants Newton to be the Superman he poses when he scores. Appears to me he's more Clark Kent at the moment.