The Myth of Cam Newton under pressure dispelled

[teeray]

Years in which Brett Favre had INT% over 3.5% while in GB:

1993: 4.6% 9-7

1998: 4.2% 11-5

1999: 3.9% 8-8

2003: 4.5% 10-6

2005: 4.8% 4-12

LOL fact of football

[CRA]

And that's about the limit CRA. Just about every winning team has a QB with an interception % between 2.5, and 3% at the most.

And let's not act like the Giants don't have an elite defense. They do too. Not to mention, Eli also has a postive TD/TO ratio.

Heck even teams with great defenses need that to win. Look at Joe Flacco:

http://www.carolinah...ed/page__st__30

He's hardly considered elite. But he is one of the winningest QB's in the NFL because his career int% is 2.3%. One of the best there is. Look at any consistently winning team. That's what you will see. Brady, Manning, etc. They all have that stat under control. That stat will be at 3 or under. Most of them hover around 2.5% because in today's NFL, thats where you have to be.

Giants have an elite DL.....not elite defense. They are a matchup nightmare for a few teams. Often teams, have little issue with that D. See this year and last year for your examples.

Eli has 12 TDs and 11INTs. A pick away from being even. Just like Andrew Luck, who has only one more TD pass than INT (and just like Eli the bulk of his winning record has come from games he has a pick).

One game can flip that ratio the opposite way.

Also, when evaluating Newton last year it is intellectually dishonest to ignore his 35 TDs vs 19 turnovers. He plays the game too differently.

[CRA]

Years in which Brett Favre had INT% over 3.5% while in GB:

1993: 4.6% 9-7

1998: 4.2% 11-5

1999: 3.9% 8-8

2003: 4.5% 10-6

2005: 4.8% 4-12

LOL fact of football

Jake Delhomme took Carolina to the Superbowl and went toe to toe with NE.

2003 - 3.6%

We played 3 phases in 2003. O, D and ST.

[teeray]

Jake Delhomme took Carolina to the Superbowl and went toe to toe with NE.

2003 - 3.6%

We played 3 phases in 2003. O, D and ST.

Plus we went 11-5 in 2005 and his INT% was 3.7

It is a fact of football. Except that it isn't.

[ReturnOfPFFL]

Years in which Brett Favre had INT% over 3.5% while in GB:

1993: 4.6% 9-7

1998: 4.2% 11-5

1999: 3.9% 8-8

2003: 4.5% 10-6

2005: 4.8% 4-12

LOL fact of football

Firs of all, that is the exception to the rule. Show me ONE winning QB in today's NFL with that type of interception %. One.

Btw, how many rings did Farve get in his 13 years by slinging it carelessly like that?

And for the reord, Bret Favre's years leading up to his Super Bowl? 2.4%, 2.3%, 2.4% 1994, 1995, 1996

After that it was all down hill. Except his best year with the Vikings. His int %? 1.3%

But I know you are always using selective stats...

Look man, I don't really care how much you twist your numbers to defend him. You have an agenda to win with Cam Newton. My only agenda is winning, period. It doesn't matter how hard you try. That W-L column will NEVER, EVER, EVER change unless those numbers change.

We will be a losing team for as long as that efficiency is that piss poor.

[teeray]

Last thing I will say about INT%. Terry Bradshaw had a career INT% of 5.4%

Different era and a different game back then but interesting nonetheless.

[CRA]

Point is, any example he will dismiss......he will claim they play too good of D and ST. Goes back to the 3 phases being what real football is about. Tom Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc....are NFL greats in their prime of those QBs can play 1 phase football. That isn't ideal.

[teeray]

Firs of all, that is the exception to the rule. Show me ONE winning QB in today's NFL with that type of interception %. One.

Jay Cutler 3.8%?

[ReturnOfPFFL]

Last thing I will say about INT%. Terry Bradshaw had a career INT% of 5.4%

Different era and a different game back then but interesting nonetheless.

He played in the fuging 70's!!!

Average back then was 4-5%. The league as a whole averaged that, so you could get away with that. In 1975 the league averaged 5.3%! In 2012 the league average is 2.8%.

Half! Today it REQUIRES 2.5%-3% TOPS!

I have told you before Teeray. You have no clue how to use stats.

[teeray]

He played in the fuging 70's!!!

Average back then was 4-5%. The league as a whole averaged that, so you could get away with that. In 1975 the league averaged 5.3%! In 2012 the league average is 2.8%.

Half! Today it REQUIRES 2.5%-3% TOPS!

I have told you before Teeray. You have no clue how to use stats.

Missed the "different era different game" part of my post. Just that it was interesting. And I think your post agreed that his INT% was worse than league average at that time and he won 4 SBs.

Reading comprehension is still below par I see. ;)

I also think it is funny that our of the several examples I gave; you pounce on only one of them on a technicality.

[MHS831]

Bottom Line: We are all in with Cam. Nobody in college looks as promising. We need to get an OL, go back to our roots and run the ball. We need to move Smith to the Slot, find a stud #1 WR and let Lafell and Gettis play #2.

Cam needs to win to be a leader. So lets win.

[ReturnOfPFFL]

Missed the "different era different game" part of my post. Just that it was interesting. And I think your post agreed that his INT% was worse than league average at that time and he won 4 SBs.

Reading comprehension is still below par I see. ;)

I also think it is funny that our of the several examples I gave; you pounce on only one of them on a technicality.

Stop looking at one exception of a HOF quarterback to make your point, when 99% of reality aligns with what I am saying.

The era of the gunslinger is over. Farve was the last remaining dinosaur of that era. When Aaron came in they won a ring with the same team. When Farve saw that and stopped slinging it he had his best year at 40 with the Vikings by becoming an efficient passer.

Sure, you can win in an inefficient manner. In technical terms, it's not impossible. It's just not realistic. It's also not practical, and definitely not sustainable. You certainly can't do it when you don't have the Bears defense to save you. And why would you want to? Why would you want to win DESPITE your quarterback's play? You want to become the Jets?

The reality is we don't have an efficient passer. We have a gunslinger in an era of sharp shooters. It just doesn't work.

[Floppin]

Haha, I avoided this thread after reading the initial post. Somehow I'm not surprised it drug PFFL out from the bowels of retardedom.

[CRA]

Firs of all, that is the exception to the rule. Show me ONE winning QB in today's NFL with that type of interception %. One.

Well, 2012 isn't finished so let's go with what is in the books. 2010 is a good year since the champion meets your billing.

2010

Brees went 11-5 with a 3.3 % - Superbowl Champ (like Eli and Big Ben in recent prior years)

Eli went 10-6 with a 4.6 %

Cutler went 10-5 with a 3.7 %

Garrard went 8-6 with a 4.1%