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Does anyone have a reliable source inside the organization?

Ivan The Awesome

By Ivan The Awesome,
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Wine&Cheese Newbie

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Guys, it really dosent matter who is the coaching structure looks like for the remainder of the season. We have holes everywhere and no unit (O, D, or ST) is performing on a level in which we can "hang our hats on", so blow up the staff... The season is done and it really cant get any worse in regards to wins and losses.

Fire RR and promote either Shula or Chud to HC. I vote for Chud, at least he wont be calling the plays anymore.

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MHS831 Grand Master

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Why not?

Rollouts and using his legs when things break down would be there in a traditional offense.....a legit run game sets up real play action and would let him throw downfield. Takes pressure off him, lets him develop as a traditional QB, lets RBs run....

Only thing Cam would not fit is a spread NFL offense where a QB picks apart teams with little dink throws.

I think it could benefit him more to be under center and play action like the guy said on TV, but that requires taking your eye off the WRs early in their routes. Let me just say that I agree with you, but I wonder why we have never converted to that whey our zone read is not effective. I wonder if we have no confidence in his ability to master the cognitive processes. Basically, can he produce when his athleticism is taken away as an option? (see Vince Young).

I wonder how coachable he is with that attitude he seems to have developed. He is throwing off his back foot a lot and that is making him throw high. In fairness to Cam, better protection could end that, but there are a lot of instances when he is not pressured and his feet are not in good position to throw. I have not given up on Cam and will not untl they give him a solid line and a better WR group.

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If he is such a dumbass how did he have success last year?

They have weighed, measured, and catagorized him-that is why he is less successful. 2011 had nothing to do with his intelligence-it had to do with Chud and Cam's newness. The Panthers at 2-14 were not exactly the team everyone was worried about. They had no idea on how to stop him. Now they know--take away the primary read, contain pressure (did you notice how often Denver forced him to roll to his left?). That way, his athleticism is neutralized and he has to think. Heck, he even gets 40% of the reads wrong in the zone read running scheme.

You could argue that that is scheme and I would agree. However, the fact that we seem stuck in the zone read is probably because Cam is very average in a traditional set and becuase he cannot easily turn his back to the WRs while play actioning. He is holding the ball too long becuase he is waiting for a WR to break open. If he knew the routes and the coverages, along with some simple physics, he would see it coming open sooner. For example, the first pass he completed to Olsen yesterday. Olsen was wide open and the pass was delivered at the sideline, causing Olsen to stop his momentum. The pass should have hit him at the numbers on the field--he would have run for more yards. Rogers or Manning would have seen that route opening in the middle of the field and put the ball to him at the numbers.

Finally, his comments during interviews, body language, and his teammates reactions to him are telling if you watch without rose-colored glasses on. I want him to be good and smart, do not get me wrong. But he is not. How many dumb QBs have ever succeeded in the NFL?

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They have weighed, measured, and catagorized him-that is why he is less successful. 2011 had nothing to do with his intelligence-it had to do with Chud and Cam's newness. The Panthers at 2-14 were not exactly the team everyone was worried about. They had no idea on how to stop him. Now they know--take away the primary read, contain pressure (did you notice how often Denver forced him to roll to his left?). That way, his athleticism is neutralized and he has to think. Heck, he even gets 40% of the reads wrong in the zone read running scheme.

You could argue that that is scheme and I would agree. However, the fact that we seem stuck in the zone read is probably because Cam is very average in a traditional set and becuase he cannot easily turn his back to the WRs while play actioning. He is holding the ball too long becuase he is waiting for a WR to break open. If he knew the routes and the coverages, along with some simple physics, he would see it coming open sooner. For example, the first pass he completed to Olsen yesterday. Olsen was wide open and the pass was delivered at the sideline, causing Olsen to stop his momentum. The pass should have hit him at the numbers on the field--he would have run for more yards. Rogers or Manning would have seen that route opening in the middle of the field and put the ball to him at the numbers.

Finally, his comments during interviews, body language, and his teammates reactions to him are telling if you watch without rose-colored glasses on. I want him to be good and smart, do not get me wrong. But he is not. How many dumb QBs have ever succeeded in the NFL?

you're an idiot trying to sound intelligent and it's not working pal. None of us personally know his intelligence. He may be less intelligent, but most football players are retarded by societies standards. Can with a good staff can be a winning pedigree
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They have weighed, measured, and catagorized him-that is why he is less successful. 2011 had nothing to do with his intelligence-it had to do with Chud and Cam's newness. The Panthers at 2-14 were not exactly the team everyone was worried about. They had no idea on how to stop him. Now they know--take away the primary read, contain pressure (did you notice how often Denver forced him to roll to his left?). That way, his athleticism is neutralized and he has to think. Heck, he even gets 40% of the reads wrong in the zone read running scheme.

You could argue that that is scheme and I would agree. However, the fact that we seem stuck in the zone read is probably because Cam is very average in a traditional set and becuase he cannot easily turn his back to the WRs while play actioning. He is holding the ball too long becuase he is waiting for a WR to break open. If he knew the routes and the coverages, along with some simple physics, he would see it coming open sooner. For example, the first pass he completed to Olsen yesterday. Olsen was wide open and the pass was delivered at the sideline, causing Olsen to stop his momentum. The pass should have hit him at the numbers on the field--he would have run for more yards. Rogers or Manning would have seen that route opening in the middle of the field and put the ball to him at the numbers.

Finally, his comments during interviews, body language, and his teammates reactions to him are telling if you watch without rose-colored glasses on. I want him to be good and smart, do not get me wrong. But he is not. How many dumb QBs have ever succeeded in the NFL?

Im not even gonna dignify this with a informative response, its not worth it. Sorry.

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The problem is not IQ at this point but experience in a pro NFL offense. Just remember that guys like Luck were in a pro offense in college for years while Newton was not. Last year was his first in a pro offense and even this year they tweaked it too much and tried to get cute.

The first couple of years Eli struggled as well. This really is no big deal. In a year or two with a better offense he will be tearing things up. His success last year just raised expectations way too high. He will be fine down the road. These are the growing pains with most rookie quarterbacks. People saying he sucks or needs to be cut or traded are just showing their ignorance. No need to dignify with a response.

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you're an idiot trying to sound intelligent and it's not working pal. None of us personally know his intelligence. He may be less intelligent, but most football players are retarded by societies standards. Can with a good staff can be a winning pedigree

Or it could be that you do not agree with me and do not know how to deal with it, so you call people names. Not your pal, by the way. Personal attacks are not tolerated on here. Sorry you have such a difficult time expressing yourself in an articulate fashion.

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Cam is not performing as an intelligent QB. How many audibles do you see him call? How well is he going through his progressions? Heck, if you watch the game recordings slowly, you will see that he misreads the option a huge percentage of the time. What does he have to do to prove he is not getting it right now? The problem could be the coaching staff, but to say that Cam is a smart QB just is not true.

I want Cam to be the best QB in the NFL for years to come, but he is not right now. Does he have the physical tools? Yes. Does he have the acumen? Maybe he will with the right mentor. Does he have the leadership? NO. Does Cam have the right attitude to become a smart QB and leader?

If you say yes, you are lying. Something has to change.

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