D-Will on trading block?

[TheMaulClaw]

Just hope we trade Dwill to a team he wants to go too. I could see him loving getting traded to Tennessee.

[Mr. Scot]

Just hope we trade Dwill to a team he wants to go too. I could see him loving getting traded to Tennessee.

To sit behind Chris Johnson?

[panther4life]

That isn't guaranteed money. That is pro-rated signing bonus. That stays with us, not with any potential trading partner.

Aside from verabage we are on the same page. So the signing bonus of 16 million is spread out over 5 years, correct?

16 divided by 5 = 3.2. We have 3 years left of 3.2 yet to hit the cap as I understand it. So that would total 9.6 million that would "accelerate and hit the cap immediately if traded right?

If I am wrong please correct me

[ItsPantone278]

Williams is a great player. If we call a power run game tomorrow, you all will want him to stay again.. It will be unbelievable hard to get anything close to his value because of his contract. Just keep him and ride it out for the rest of the season.

[Marguide]

I am not arguing that I know this shitt 100%. That being said the way I understand it, is yes he signed a 16 million dollar signing bonus. We paid it up front. However the cap hit for that signing bonus was spread over 5 years.

16 million divided by 5 = 3.2 million. In 11 3.2 of the 16 came off, this year another 3.2 came off.

so 3.2 x 2 = 6.4 million. Thats the number that has his hit our cap so far. So 16 million had to hit the cap, so far only 6.4 has, leaving us on the hook for 9.4 million more.

What you said is correct, but the remaining portion is 9.6, not 9.4. One final note...his contract had $21 million in guaranteed money. $16 million of that was the bonus as discussed above. The other $5 million was guaranteed salary that they could have allocated to any year they chose. However, per the beat writers, that other $5 million has already been accounted for. So he has no guaranteed money still coming to him.

I know we're beating this to death, but it's good to have understanding of this stuff.

[Marguide]

Aside from verabage we are on the same page. So the signing bonus of 16 million is spread out over 5 years, correct?

16 divided by 5 = 3.2. We have 3 years left of 3.2 yet to hit the cap as I understand it. So that would total 9.6 million that would "accelerate and hit the cap immediately if traded right?

If I am wrong please correct me

That is correct.

[panther4life]

What you said is correct, but the remaining portion is 9.6, not 9.4. One final note...his contract had $21 million in guaranteed money. $16 million of that was the bonus as discussed above. The other $5 million was guaranteed salary that they could have allocated to any year they chose. However, per the beat writers, that other $5 million has already been accounted for. So he has no guaranteed money still coming to him.

I know we're beating this to death, but it's good to have understanding of this stuff.

So if the 9.6 million hits the cap immediately and we only have 5 million in cap space that makes it impossible to trade him at this point without making some other moves to clear room first right?

[TheMaulClaw]

To sit behind Chris Johnson?

It would give Tennesse a 1-2 punch. Dwill isn't a feature back by himself. Plus he went to Memphis and he likes the outdoors.

[TheMaulClaw]

It would give Tennesse a 1-2 punch. Dwill isn't a feature back by himself. Plus he went to Memphis and he likes the outdoors. Anywhere in Tennessee that's east of Nashville (including Nashville) is pretty cool.

[Floppin]

I am not arguing that I know this shitt 100%. That being said the way I understand it, is yes he signed a 16 million dollar signing bonus. We paid it up front. However the cap hit for that signing bonus was spread over 5 years.

16 million divided by 5 = 3.2 million. In 11 3.2 of the 16 came off, this year another 3.2 came off.

so 3.2 x 2 = 6.4 million. Thats the number that has his hit our cap so far. So 16 million had to hit the cap, so far only 6.4 has, leaving us on the hook for 9.4 million more.

Heres a couple exceprts from askthecommish.com

"Question 1.7e

That's cheating! How can you have a real salary cap if all you have to do is give a player a signing bonus to get around it?

Answer: Now we come to the tricky part. The signing bonus IS part of the player's salary. So it counts against the cap. When determining team and player salary, the signing bonus will be prorated over the length of the contract.

For example, if a player signs a four-year deal with a $1 million signing bonus, $250,000 of that bonus will count toward team salary for each contract year ($1 million divided evenly over the four-year contract is $250,000 per year). If a team releases a player, the unamoratized bonus money (the remaining prorated bonus money) counts immediately against the cap.

In our example above, if the player is released after Year 1, the remaining $750,000 (the prorated signing bonus money for years 2-4) counts against the cap in Year 2 -- even though the player is no longer on the team's roster.

What happens if a player is traded or retires?

Answer: We already know that if a player is waived on or before June 1, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus (in the same manner as described above)."

Our cap hit figures are not the same as his guaranteed money. We will have the remaining of his prorated signing bonus cap hit come against us, but in terms of his contract, his guaranteed money is finished after this year. WHich is why I said that his contract was tradeable, in terms of the team he goes to, because they wouldn't be on the hook for any guaranteed money. The cap hit we would take wasn't my point. His contract won't shy away suitors should be actually want to trade him because the terms would be very friendly to them, which was my point.

[CRA]

Would they? I'm not the only one to think such non-sense.....

http://pigroot.com/r/carolina-panthers/2065365/could-the-carolina-panthers-trade-deangelo-williams-to-green-bay-packers-gather-com

Scroll way down close to the bottom, second on Panthers http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/news.php

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981701389

Here's a twist with Tolbert on the menu, for a draft pick..... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1372746-4-realistic-moves-that-the-green-bay-packers-could-make-at-nfl-trade-deadline#/articles/1372746-4-realistic-moves-that-the-green-bay-packers-could-make-at-nfl-trade-deadline/page/5

Just sayin, I feel Green Bay will be the play, if any. Jennings would make the most sense for Carolina (for next season). Cobb or James Jones this season, who knows. Arizona and Pitts could also be in play.

Yes, GB would LAUGH.

Teams don't want to trade for old expensive RBs.....and give up top notch WRs for them.

RB play is relatively easy to find for cheap....plenty of decent RBs have tried to earn spots on our roster over the years. We have been looking for a WR for a decade.

Jennings makes sense I you only look at things from Carolina's perspective.

[CRA]

It would give Tennesse a 1-2 punch. Dwill isn't a feature back by himself. Plus he went to Memphis and he likes the outdoors.

Is DWill gonna rip up his contract and play for peanuts?

No team would do what we did and over invest at RB.

Question isn't if a team would like Williams......it is would a team like him for the cost.

[FattyFatFat]

Trade him to dallas for a box of cracker jacks and some skittles.

[panther4life]

Our cap hit figures are not the same as his guaranteed money. We will have the remaining of his prorated signing bonus cap hit come against us, but in terms of his contract, his guaranteed money is finished after this year. WHich is why I said that his contract was tradeable, in terms of the team he goes to, because they wouldn't be on the hook for any guaranteed money. The cap hit we would take wasn't my point. His contract won't shy away suitors should be actually want to trade him because the terms would be very friendly to them, which was my point.

The fact that we can not absorb the cap hit, makes everything else irrelevant.