If Cam was half the leader that..

[Doc Holiday]

yea he was so unquestioned they gave him a boneheaded contract extension after turning the ball over 6 times against the cardinals in the playoffs

a lot of good being an "unquestioned leader" did for us

your missing the point dufuss, heck I said he wasn't as talented in my own post

[pantherclaw]

Here's a tip for you...Cam sometimes acts immature just like every other 23 year old. Put them all in high stress situations, and the immaturity will come out in one form or another. I was that way, you were that way, all 23 year olds are that way. The fact that they earn a lot of money and are famous doesn't change that.

I see nothing to indicate that Rivera is providing effective leadership to this team, or that he is guiding players in a way to maximize their potential. I see nothing from Smitty that would equate to effective leadership. Neither Gross or Kalil are apparently doing much either based on the fact that Hurney said we lacked leadership on the offensive side of the ball. So why do you expect a 23 year old kid to overcome all of that and take the reins? He will eventually, but it is unrealistic to expect it at this point.

Our leadership with a young team and young QB has to start at the top. That is the Head Coach's responsibility. He and the other veteran coaches and players have the maturity and experience to set an example and guide the younger players.

Why you expect nothing out of others and everything out of Cam is the part I don't get. Can you explain it further or will you just fall back on "he's the QB blah, blah, blah"?

I expect nothing from others?

That's news to me.

[pantherclaw]

Why don't you ask those who were made the leaders of your team to step up...Such a coward.

who says I'm not expecting more from the entire team?

Stop turning this into something it isn't.

[pantherclaw]

This post tells me all I need to know why your team sucks. You don't damn anything from the actual vets and chosen leaders on your team but you demand EVERYTHING AND I MEAN EVERYTHING from your QB because the media is trying to turn him into Vince Young.

And BTW, you clearly have seen post interviews with RGIII. All these QBs have their moments. The problem I see with you fans is you're always looking for an easy scape-goat to cover up for the fact that the Panthers mentality is that of extreme undiscipline.

Where are the LEADERS ON THIS TEAM who suppose to step up and lead this this team. All I've read on this site is endless ranting about your QB but not one of you have the guts to call out the Vets on this team and ask them to GROW THE FUG UP. Nope, you're a bunch of cowards who are looking for the next QB to blame your teams issues on.

How phoney of you to sit and all demand everything from Cam under the guise of him being a "leader" but never ONCE call out the vets to do their jobs. You cannot be taken seriously.

I don't expect everything from Cam.

So sorry that i haven't posted about my disappointment with the oline, our receivers, our running backs.

How dare i make a thread about Cam and stay on subject.

You and everybody else who think what you just said in your post, are fuging idiots.

No where am i only blaming Cam.

Wake the fug up, and learn to read.

[frash.exe]

your missing the point dufuss, heck I said he wasn't as talented in my own post

My reply wasn't really making a point about talent it was that he was so unquestioned they were afraid of moving on even when he was declining rapidly

[MadHatter]

This reminds me of a discussion I saw on NFLN yesterday with Heath Evans and another ex-player. The question was his maturity level and both agreed he was immature.

So who did they use as examples for him to emmulate? Brees, Brady and Peyton.

Why do people expect him to be a finished product after a year-and-a-half in the league?

You can compare him to several of the other young QB's...RGIII, Luck, Dalton.

Watch their demeanor on the sidelines...watch their interaction with their coaches on the sideline...etc.

They are all significantly more mature than Cam is right now.

I hope and pray that everyone here that says give him time to mature is right. However, too often these traits are inherent and not really learned.

Many of his staunch supporters on here say that he has been a leader at every level he has played. That is not necessarily correct. He has been a "winner" at the other levels because of his athletic ability. In the NFL, it become a little different scenario.

I believe (hope really) that he ends up getting it.

[King Taharqa]

I don't expect everything from Cam.

So sorry that i haven't posted about my disappointment with the oline, our receivers, our running backs.

How dare i make a thread about Cam and stay on subject.

You and everybody else who think what you just said in your post, are fuging idiots.

No where am i only blaming Cam.

Wake the fug up, and learn to read.

Where's your post calling out our TEAM CAPTAINS? The guys with the C on their jersey. I made one about Gross a month ago and was called a "racist" for it.

[Frydaddy]

Dear Lord, the guy is in his second year. Yeah he lit it up last year but other teams have reviewed him and know more about him. Our line isn't really helping much and he's essentially the whole offense right now (our RBs aren't doing much). Am I happy with his leadership or the errors, no. But I'm recognizing that a 2nd year QB surrounded by a team that isn't playing well is not going to look very good.

But, can someone tell me why he stopped throwing to Olsen as much as he used to? It seems like he is open a lot.

[theyhateme45]

Wow... so now we are blaming our losses on Cam's leadership? Smh... I think Cam's leadership on the field is not a problem and not what is causing this team to lose... If you wanted to say his incosistency with accuracy this year, or little improvment mechancially from the last then that could be a valid debate... But his leadership... GTFO

True we do have a YOUNG QB that is underperforming, but it’s a freakin 2^nd year… Now when Cam gets to year 4 and is still playing like this then we have a problem. In the meantime we just hope for consistent improvement and consistency in his game as he grows…

We also have a team with a lack of talent compared to other teams… Honestly talent wise we are just not that great compared to other NFC teams. Top that off with coaching gameplans that fails week after week with lack of adjustment to fit our personnel and it all combines for our record… NOT Cam’s leadership.

[Khyber53]

Can you imagine a a read option pass thrown to a triple covered Steve Smith from Delhomme??

I believe that minus the "read" that's what about every play looked like. Except, back then, it worked now and then.

[mush]

He doesn't have half the leadership of Delhomme. You could go to that locker room and interview the whole offense 6 years ago and if you asked the whole offense, "who are the leaders on this team?", Jake Delhomme was the first one named. Now I think it would be fragmented with different players named first.

You need everybody naming the same player first. If they do that, that means they look to that person to inspire them to play at a higher level. All y'all can say they're paid millions and they should play hard every time, but fact is that coach can say what he wants on the sideline but a leader on the field inspires everyone around him to play at a higher level and you don't know it til you got it.

[pantherclaw]

He doesn't have half the leadership of Delhomme. You could go to that locker room and interview the whole offense 6 years ago and if you asked the whole offense, "who are the leaders on this team?", Jake Delhomme was the first one named. Now I think it would be fragmented with different players named first.

You need everybody naming the same player first. If they do that, that means they look to that person to inspire them to play at a higher level. All y'all can say they're paid millions and they should play hard every time, but fact is that coach can say what he wants on the sideline but a leader on the field inspires everyone around him to play at a higher level and you don't know it til you got it.

Ding ding ding!!!!!

I knew you'd get it.

Sad that so many fans aroumd here can't have a simple cknversation about Cam.

[King Taharqa]

We want more from Cam to be a Super Bowl Loser like Jake. I ask again, at age 23 who was Jake leading in the NFL? Who was he starting for? Jake was never the player/ leader that Cam is at the same age. Jake never had national media attention til his 06 SI cover (he was 31 then) and when he got that ridiculous contract in 08. Both times Jake crumbled under the pressure. I remember his crying and fake injury that year cuz he was too sensitive to being benched. We even cut Keyshawn because he wouldnt take the blame for Jakes bonehead INT in Philly. Yall overrate Jakes leadership to overcompensate for his well known flaws.

[AppStatePanther]

Where's your post calling out our TEAM CAPTAINS? The guys with the C on their jersey. I made one about Gross a month ago and was called a "racist" for it.

probably because you are. Jake was a leader when he was playing poorly and Cam will be when he has a few seasons under his belt. No need to worry about this.