Would Mike Holmgren be an upgrade from Ron Rivera?

[Kyle82]

He would be an upgrade but not for the long term

[chknwing]

No. Someone end this thread.

[Herbert The Love Bug]

Holgrem sucks and is retiring. This thread sucks balls

[Ivan The Awesome]

Of all the stupid threads.. My god man. This team needs to start winning, not because of the record, but because I'm really getting tired of threads like these.

[Doc Holiday]

Worst win percentage in NFL, since 2010

Team Win Pct.

Panthers .243

Browns .263

Rams .316

Going from the Browns to Panthers, he would do nothing.

since 2010? Great sample there buddy

[h0llywood]

since 2010? Great sample there buddy

This is straight from ESPN. If you have an issue take it up with them. You could look for yourself.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8511711/mike-holmgren-retire-cleveland-browns-sale-official

[Doc Holiday]

This is straight from ESPN. If you have an issue take it up with them. You could look for yourself.

http://espn.go.com/n...s-sale-official

it's not that the facts aren't correct it's about when your pulling them from. anything before Rivera and Cam Newton at this point is in regards to the panthers is worthless.

Holmgren for that matter too, just taking into account 2 years when the owner ship was trying to sell the team is unfair and retarded.

if you think the Browns owner just decided to sell the team today you are wrong, he's probably been thinking about it since at least the time that Holmgren took over.

[doghead28]

Just what we need, another cast off from the Browns. LOL.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I'm not really on the fire Rivera bandwagon but I've always like Holmgren. Should it be something JR considers/pursues (Change of head coach) if we have a total continue to stink it up ALL season?

Edit

Forgot to mention that NFL.com is reporting his gone after this season.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

He has GMed the Seahawks and Browns and both organizations during his reign are without talent and development.

[h0llywood]

it's not that the facts aren't correct it's about when your pulling them from. anything before Rivera and Cam Newton at this point is in regards to the panthers is worthless.

Holmgren for that matter too, just taking into account 2 years when the owner ship was trying to sell the team is unfair and retarded.

if you think the Browns owner just decided to sell the team today you are wrong, he's probably been thinking about it since at least the time that Holmgren took over.

You're missing the point. This thread is about Holmgren and I posted a stat about Holmgren from ESPN. If you find that retarded, as I previously mentioned, take it to ESPN.

[SIGCHI222]

Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid.....wassthadifference?

So Chico gets 2 years? How would that have worked with Cowher?

[pantherclaw]

I love how every candidate mentioned, is one richardson wouldn't hire.

[mwright350]

Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid.....wassthadifference?

So Chico gets 2 years? How would that have worked with Cowher?

The reason everyone is whining about Rivera is not because his scheme just hasn't taken hold yet or there are things he still needs time to get right - it's because this team has shown either a total lack of progress or regression nearly everywhere. They lack fire, they are not prepared for things teams are doing to them, fundamentals are degrading all over the place (from bad tackling on D to receivers learning how to play with alligator arms).

These are things that it doesn't take a coach years to get right. It could be Rivera, Cowher, pretty much anyone in that seat and if basic things about the team are getting worse there would be the same level of complaining. My opinion is he isn't getting the job done. I hope he proves me wrong.