Will 1-5 seal the deal?

[PantherTrain84]

I mean sure, we as fans are already angry as hell and calling for a top/down regime change. But many in the media are still saying "lets wait and see" "lets see how Hurney's master plan works out." But will 1-5 FINALLY be the tipping point where we start hearing things like "Hurney on the hot seat" or "Rivera has lost locker room." Or "Jerry Richardson and Bill Cowher closing in on contract." Oh wait, nvm on that last one, this is Jerry Richardson we are talking about. But seriously, does 1-5 pretty much get us back to square 1 in 2010 where we have a lame duck coaching staff and a huge sea change is on the horizon?

[megadeth078]

I doubt anything changes. We're a young team, it's a process, 3-year plan and stuff....

Jerry doesn't need a winning record to consider this season a success.

[YoureWelcome]

nah we would still go 11-5

- rayzor

[TheCrackasaur]

I'm pretty sure you have been on the meth train since 84' after reading this thread.

[Marguide]

I mean sure, we as fans are already angry as hell and calling for a top/down regime change. But many in the media are still saying "lets wait and see" "lets see how Hurney's master plan works out." But will 1-5 FINALLY be the tipping point where we start hearing things like "Hurney on the hot seat" or "Rivera has lost locker room." Or "Jerry Richardson and Bill Cowher closing in on contract." Oh wait, nvm on that last one, this is Jerry Richardson we are talking about. But seriously, does 1-5 pretty much get us back to square 1 in 2010 where we have a lame duck coaching staff and a huge sea change is on the horizon?

Okay drama queen, how about providing some examples of how many in the media are still saying "lets wait and see" "lets see how Hurney's master plan works out."

[PantherTrain84]

I doubt anything changes. We're a young team, it's a process, 3-year plan and stuff....

Jerry doesn't need a winning record to consider this season a success.

Exactly why I hope we go 3-13 and not 7-9. Why? Because 7-9 will not get us in the playoffs, 7-9 will knock us down a great deal in draft position, 7-9 will allow Hurney and the coaching staff to stick around and "give it another shot." I remember using this same argument last year and I got bashed, I heard "no, its more important we finish strong and have momentum carry over the next season then lose out and have a better draft poaition" Well, I bought that line last year but this year? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Not buying that load of crap again. 3-13 is the only way these clowns will be forced out.

[Kuech the Sneak]

1-4 sealed it for me...too much to come back from, put ourselves too far behind the 8 ball

[PantherTrain84]

Okay drama queen, how about providing some examples of how many in the media are still saying "lets wait and see" "lets see how Hurney's master plan works out."

For starters Pat Y on ESPN as said recently that we still need time and I recall hearing a analyst on NFL network recently saying the same thing.

[Brooklyn Bully]

I wish we were a young team. It'd make a lot more sense.

[frash.exe]

season was splintered at 1-3

[rayzor]

on the season....most likely, barring any miracles.

on the rivera era...nope. it will still have another year or two.

- rayzor

[PantherTrain84]

on the season....most likely, barring any miracles.

on the rivera era...nope. it will still have another year or two.

- rayzor

Ok so here is my thinking. Say Rivera stays, fine. But then our offense is ranked 25th (like it is now) and our defense is ranked in the high 20s (like it is now.) Will then both Sean Mcdermott and Chud get the boot? And if they get the boot and not Rivera then that makes no sense seeing as how these are Rivera's guys to begin with. With that said, I just dont see any logic in booting Mcd and Chud but keeping Rivera since he is the one that brought in his coordinators.

[rayzor]

Ok so here is my thinking. Say Rivera stays, fine. But then our offense is ranked 25th (like it is now) and our defense is ranked in the high 20s (like it is now.) Will then both Sean Mcdermott and Chud get the boot? And if they get the boot and not Rivera then that makes no sense seeing as how these are Rivera's guys to begin with. With that said, I just dont see any logic in booting Mcd and Chud but keeping Rivera since he is the one that brought in his coordinators.

happens all the time.

re: mcD being rivera's guy, though....heard he was rivera's second choice. rivera's first choice was supposedly steve wilks just because of their familiarity with each other having worked together in chi-town and san diego. it would be rivera's D but wilks implementing it i suppose kind of like you see with a lot of HCs who pretty much run the show on the side of the ball that is their strong suit.

but anyway...teams will usually give an HC another shot with new coordinators unless they are teams that usually has a lot of turnover in their coaching staff (which i really don't want us to be). there will be a coordinator or two replaced, much of the time as a scapegoat. if the HC still can't get the desired results then the HC will probably get the boot. teams have more invested in the HC and know that it usually means another couple years of turmoil and a lot of money going out because you end up having to pay for the fired coach (and probably his staff) as well as for the new coach and staff. they will give the HC a couple chances with different personnel just to see if there's any way it could work.

[PhillyB]

if rivera can get this team to 7-9 after a 1-4 or 1-5 start i will be wholly impressed