Probability of the Panthers winning at least 4 games this season...

[iamhubby1]

Probably bc DL play is as important as ever. Plus multiple DEs start and can play every down.

But DT, CB, and most importantly S rank ahead. WR probably does to. We probably need a more diverse TE as well. G too. We have lots of needs

Don't take things so literally. Or put words in my mouth either. Although around here it is almost expected.

We have needs sure. Someone mentioned Clowney, so I said Gholston. I never said we only need one more DE to be scary. We both know we have more holes to fill, but talent is talent. It ususally comes down to who has the most talent. Talent wins.

We have talent. Just not enough as of now. I see Norman as a young talent, but we could use another young stud. S, yes. TE, yes. DTs are fine for now, but it needs an infusion of young talent. And I agree a starting caliber G would be helpfull.

I see plenty of talent on this team. So, if it is not the talent. What is the problem? Mistakes, coaching, and Cam are the three main reasons we are where we are.

IMO. We are closer than most think where it comes to talent.

[usmcpanthers]

I cant guage until i see how we come out of the bye week

[CRA]

Don't take things so literally. Or put words in my mouth either. Although around here it is almost expected.

We have needs sure. Someone mentioned Clowney, so I said Gholston. I never said we only need one more DE to be scary. We both know we have more holes to fill, but talent is talent. It ususally comes down to who has the most talent. Talent wins.

We have talent. Just not enough as of now. I see Norman as a young talent, but we could use another young stud. S, yes. TE, yes. DTs are fine for now, but it needs an infusion of young talent. And I agree a starting caliber G would be helpfull.

I see plenty of talent on this team. So, if it is not the talent. What is the problem? Mistakes, coaching, and Cam are the three main reasons we are where we are.

IMO. We are closer than most think where it comes to talent.

Pointing out we have Stewart, Williams, Tolbert in a list....doesn't actually tilt the talent scale like many suggests.

We are thin or weak at multiple key areas.

And if a guy like Clowney was available you draft him no matter who your DEs are.

DTs? We have bandaids at DT.

[Matthias]

Animated, yes. Grab a facemask and yell, not so much. That kind of stuff just doesn't happen anymore in todays NFL.

Personally, I think Rivera is still trying to find his footing. He may turn out to be a great coach, or he may never figure it out. There is just no way to tell after 20 games. Or at least that is how I see it. Some folks can't wait for Rivera to figure it out cuz they want their victories now. I am wlling to give him some time, but I know I am in the minority.

The problem with this is while Rivera is figuring things out, while we're waiting to see whether he becomes a good coach or never figures it out, Cam's career is going down the drain. By the time Rivera figure things out, Cam will be a draft bust because he didn't get the right kind of support. In which case, we will have to go on another search to find a franchise QB. Steve Smith will be retired. D-Will will be on another team as the back up to a back up. J-Stew's running ability will be going out of it's prime. And Kuechly will be barely keeping things together on the defensive side of the ball.

I could see if we had an experienced QB, who is matured in running an offense. Yet this guy is still learning, and as many have said, this current offense seems to have stalled his development. (You can't begin your career running a 75% pro offense, and then the next year revert to the more comfortable college system. That's like entering you're sophmore year in high school, and the teacher begins teaching on the alphabet.) So my biggest problem is even if Rivera finally figures it out a couple of years from now, Cam will be ruined and we will have to start all over again looking for a QB.

Now, I'm a pretty patient guy, I understand this is Rivera's second year as a head coach. Yet my thing is he has seriously regressed from last year. I'm crazy about this team, and hope we go 19-0 every year no matter how many mediocre free agent talent we have start for us going into the season. Yet even I know there will be bumps in the road for this young coach, and I'm willing to go through them. However as I said, Rivera has seriously regressed. It goes beyond bumps in the road. It comes down to you don't know what you're doing at this point. You don't know how to fire your team up for a primetime game, to you don't know how to rebound after a tough loss. Your players can't half tackle, and you aren't feeding your billion dollar running backs. This tells me Rivera is way in over his head.

So unless I see some significant change when we play the cowboys (Rivera has two weeks to prepare for this one), if he can't fire his team up after all the criticism it is receiving and losing the guy who said we are winning the superbowl, if we come out flatter than day old soda, I'm sorry but Rivera got to go.

[iamhubby1]

Pointing out we have Stewart, Williams, Tolbert in a list....doesn't actually tilt the talent scale like many suggests.

We are thin or weak at multiple key areas.

And if a guy like Clowney was available you draft him no matter who your DEs are.

DTs? We have bandaids at DT.

Not sure whom you are refering to here? I never made a list, or brought up DWill, Stewy, or Tolbert.

I don't think we are "thin or weak at multiple key areas" either. I think we could upgrade the S position. Other than that I like our team. A strong to great FS would help settle the whole D down.

I have said repeatedly that talent is what wins games. Why would I pass on talent? Clowney or Gholston, I would take either.

DTs? What does that mean? Do I think we need some? Am I happy with what we have? Is there even a question there? IMO, our bandaids are doing a fine job. Could we use an iflux of young talent. I would never dismiss young talent.

I went ahead and answered your queries, even though I believe you were confused as to who actually said what. But hell, this is the Huddle. Oops is in everyones vocabulary.

[CRA]

Not sure whom you are refering to here? I never made a list, or brought up DWill, Stewy, or Tolbert.

I don't think we are "thin or weak at multiple key areas" either. I think we could upgrade the S position. Other than that I like our team. A strong to great FS would help settle the whole D down.

I have said repeatedly that talent is what wins games. Why would I pass on talent? Clowney or Gholston, I would take either.

DTs? What does that mean? Do I think we need some? Am I happy with what we have? Is there even a question there? IMO, our bandaids are doing a fine job. Could we use an iflux of young talent. I would never dismiss young talent.

I went ahead and answered your queries, even though I believe you were confused as to who actually said what. But hell, this is the Huddle. Oops is in everyones vocabulary.

Just speaking in general terms....when people brag about our talent the list usually list 3 RBs.....or at least did.

In a passing league, DE, DT, CB and S.....are key positions. Bandaids are bandaids bc they aren't long term solutions....and ours aren't. Ron Edwards isn't good. Dwan likely was a flash in the pan.

[The Huddler]

HEy off topic here.....

RIvera's press conference he started by saying something like " oh not this question " something like that all sarcastically. then at the end he was like " oh you aint gunna ask me about" then gets cut off and some guy grabs the mic and pulls it down.

What the hell is this? this looks way too suspicious. i was wondering if any of you saw it and noticed the same thing. didnt wana post its own thread and be hounded

[NanuqoftheNorth]

The reality of that Super Bowl run is it was also partly on the talent of Steve Smith, Morgan, Jenkins from the Siefert era which ironically is the reason Hurney got the job anyway and Muhammed and a few holders from Capers.

The Panthers have not had a decent DT or WR since.

Good points.

Hurney has gotten just about all the mileage he can out of our Super Bowl run, now almost a decade ago. Without that event, I feel sure he would no longer be part of the Panthers organization.

It is interesting that he has benefited greatly from several key players drafted prior to his time and has repeatedly failed to find anyone comparable to replace those individuals during his extended time in charge.

[iamhubby1]

Just speaking in general terms....when people brag about our talent the list usually list 3 RBs.....or at least did.

In a passing league, DE, DT, CB and S.....are key positions. Bandaids are bandaids bc they aren't long term solutions....and ours aren't. Ron Edwards isn't good. Dwan likely was a flash in the pan.

Hey, I agree that the game right now has a lot of passing. And defenses are changing to keep up. Everyone has to be faster. Not bigger, just faster to be able to cover. The only big guys left on D are the tackles.

This is a double edged sword however. There are still good teams that can run the ball. Hell, even NE is running the ball.

But you can only run the ball on teams built to defend the pass. Just like it is a tad easier to pass the ball on teams that are built to stop the run. You almost have to give up one to stop the other. So most teams are going faster to help defend the bigger chunk getters. The pass is changing the game was a saying 60 years ago. And it still fits.

The Edwards boys have steadied our Line. Old pros are still welcomed. If your youth is lacking, you go old. We draft DTs, we just can't seem to develop them, so we rent them.

Not sure why the hate for our D-line? Other than Fua, I am happy right now. We have been really disruptive so far.

[YoureWelcome]

rivera is a f*cking idiot. anything more than 2 wins would surprise me with that imbecile at the helm.

[JawnyBlaze]

I'm beyond trying to predict what this team will do. After the ATL game it looked like we could hang with the best of them. After the Seattle game, it looks like we might be lucky enough to get a desirable pick in the draft and be able to trade down to restock our lines and secondary.

[JawnyBlaze]

And I agree we're thin at multiple key areas, notably:

the secondary (HAVE to find an NFL caliber FS, SS could use an upgrade but is the 2nd least problematic spot in our secondary right now, CB1 is gravy...for a few more years, CB2 shows promise but isn't helping us right now),

DL (I still think Dwan can be a solid starter for us for a while yet but Ron will need a replacement after THIS year, at the very least someone to rotate with him and be ready to take over after next year, DE looks ok but you can always use more pass rushers),

OL (Gross will need to be grooming a replacement real soon, RG needs fixing, need better depth in my opinion)

WR (what I said about Gross - same thing with Smitty, Lafell looks fine as WR2, no one else has stepped up yet)

[Snake]

20% chance. This team is a mess and all signs point to the coaches not changing a damn thing.

[CRA]

20% chance. This team is a mess and all signs point to the coaches not changing a damn thing.

Defensively, we see a staff adjusting....

Biggest issue seems to be Chud and his failure to adjust back to the formations and postion he put players in last year vs this year