So...how did the texans go from worst team (with David Carr)....

[rayzor]

-Excellent coaching

-6 Years of building

-Schaub is now a seasoned vet

-Home run threat in Andre Johnson

-Great RB tandem with a star back and a great backup (dime a dozen)

-Defense is insane with serious playmakers at almost every position

-Willing to let players go if they won't stay for a reasonable price (Mario Williams) thus allowing them to add talent elsewhere on the team rather than getting bogged down in cap hell with no room to add serious free agents

how do we know it was excellent coaching? at what point was it apparent they had it? you sure couldn't tell by the record until last year.

[Argus Plexus]

how do we know it was excellent coaching? at what point was it apparent they had it? you sure couldn't tell by the record until last year.

It obviously worked

[klumme]

They took their time to build through the draft and when time was they was active in FA. The money to spend i FA came from striking gold in the draft and having the guts to let your stars walk when time is right and the money is to big (Mario Williams)

Rick Smith is on of the best if not THE best GM in football.

Oh and Watt is by far the best defensive player this year, holy hell that dude is wild.

[4Corners]

Yeah Watt is sick. DPOY right now hands down.

[rayzor]

It obviously worked

how long did it take, though?

people are wanting to cut bait with rivera but kubiak was really not much better at this point in his tenure there.

[Panthro]

Wade Phillips...he turned the D around like Rivera did everywhere else but here

[prowler2k8]

Wade Phillips...he turned the D around like Rivera did everywhere else but here

I can see something similar happening here. I'm not sure how long Chud will stick around (especially if he doesn't diversify/improve his playcalling) and I can see us bringing in a seasoned OC to take over that side of the ball. So far, Rivera and McDermott seem to have the DEF going the right direction and all that's needed is better personnel on the DL and DB. There are major holes on OFF, particularly @ OL and WR, in addtion to the playcalling.

[frash.exe]

oh my god please do not tell me the central argument for keeping rivera is gary kubiak

[frash.exe]

how long did it take, though?

people are wanting to cut bait with rivera but kubiak was really not much better at this point in his tenure there.

have you seen the roster of the 2006 houston texans?

Since when are the Panthers starting guys as bad as Fred Weary, DeMarcus Faggins, Anthony Weaver, and Shantee Orr?

[frash.exe]

i will add, tho, that the texans got themselves a new GM to help turn the team around after the '06 draft.

they also didn't keep around beloved players at the expense of building the team.

they let williams go and used that money on solid vet FAs and drafted well.

I'd love to see Hurney logic at work trying to rebuild the Texans in the mid 2000s

50 million dollar contract extension for Travis Johnson

[FastNFurious]

Ummm..... the Texans didn't suddenly go from craptastic to sensational overnight.... Panther fans expected a freaking miracle and when they didn't get it.... well, just look at the Huddle

[rayzor]

have you seen the roster of the 2006 houston texans?

Since when are the Panthers starting guys as bad as Fred Weary, DeMarcus Faggins, Anthony Weaver, and Shantee Orr?

we started fua and mcclain in the middle of the Dline.

captain munnerlynn was our 2nd best corner. we were down to what exactly as our starting line up at LB after the 3rd week? how many rookies and first year players did we start throughout the season? how many new starters do we have this year?

sorry....but we started some pretty bad players last year. naanee starting across from smitty?

lol. mare doing FGs?

it was bad.

[rayzor]

oh my god please do not tell me the central argument for keeping rivera is gary kubiak

the OP opened the door there. kubiak was a respected coordinator with no HC experience. he started out his tenure with a 6-10 record and didn't get his first winning season for a couple years after that.

would you say that kubiak is a good HC? better than rivera? based on what exactly? what took him 5-6 years to work on?

[rayzor]

I'd love to see Hurney logic at work trying to rebuild the Texans in the mid 2000s

50 million dollar contract extension for Travis Johnson

you're not going to get me arguing in favor of hurney. wouldn't bother me at all to move on from him. i think it could be a very good thing, though there's an element of "better the devil you know than the devil you don't" in there. still, it's probably time to move on unless hurney can get his head out of his ass and build the team better. not counting on that happening, though.